Carlsen is allowed to Cheat.......................................

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Carlsen is allowed to Cheat.......................................

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If Carlsen is allowed to use a Laptop in his private room between Round, this is called cheating and preparing special lines against each of his opponents even if he shows up 3 minutes late --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjKN4uFglc
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It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
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Re: Carlsen is allowed to Cheat.......................................

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Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining. Look at the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjKN4uFglc

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them. I would bet on Carlsen under those conditions, since he will in my opinion beat them and get an edge during the Middlegame. :roll:
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Re: Carlsen is allowed to Cheat.......................................

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
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Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Nepo included the laptop in his tweet....FIDE since said no laptops are allowed his Maggies private area. So...perhaps Nepo needs to explain why he said 'laptop'....perhaps he walked by and saw it....perhaps someone told him????
They said Maggie has been given a special room ever since the 2016 Rapid/Blitz championships.
All the same Fabi and MLV have expressed that everyone should have the SAME conditions.
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CornfedForever wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:58 pm
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Nepo included the laptop in his tweet....FIDE since said no laptops are allowed his Maggies private area. So...perhaps Nepo needs to explain why he said 'laptop'....perhaps he walked by and saw it....perhaps someone told him????
They said Maggie has been given a special room ever since the 2016 Rapid/Blitz championships.
All the same Fabi and MLV have expressed that everyone should have the SAME conditions.
NOW look at this video. The dress code only apply to certain players who are NOT famous top players like GM Nepo wearing sneaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hb3eFJhp_g

Magnus actually played against a cheater using Stockfish, but Stockfish could NOT beat Magnus ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndLSQhognc
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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:32 pm
CornfedForever wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:58 pm
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 am
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:55 am
Graham Banks wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:51 am It's called preparation, and is perfectly legitimate.
As long as the other top players are allowed it like GM Nepo, and GM Caruana who are complaining.

NOTE: I personally believe that Carlsen can allow any player that he is rated over 75 rating points to use a computer with opening database for the 1st 8 moves and Carlsen will still beat them.
If he is the only one allowed to do it, then of course it is unfair.
Nepo included the laptop in his tweet....FIDE since said no laptops are allowed his Maggies private area. So...perhaps Nepo needs to explain why he said 'laptop'....perhaps he walked by and saw it....perhaps someone told him????
They said Maggie has been given a special room ever since the 2016 Rapid/Blitz championships.
All the same Fabi and MLV have expressed that everyone should have the SAME conditions.
NOW look at this video. The dress code only apply to certain players who are NOT famous top players like GM Nepo wearing sneaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hb3eFJhp_g

Magnus actually played against a cheater using Stockfish, but Stockfish could NOT beat Magnus, but I replayed the entire game and the cheater did NOT played all Stockfih moves, otherwise Stockfish would have won the game ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndLSQhognc
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I think this was debunked and calling that cheating is beyond idiotic and needs no further comment. Anyway all players are allowed to use mobile phones in their rest areas ... and today's mobiles are basically small computers. There is no doubt that MC is getting special treatment ... but this also happens with all "once in a generation" athletes or competitors. I remember watching Tiger Woods in his last US Open win where some were complaining that he gets way more coverage than other players. Well .... I guess there just is a ton more viewers that want to watch him play! Also players were complaining that Tiger would get a special area while other players would not ... I guess the other players just didn't have hundreds of press and paparazzi following them all over the place. Love him or hate him ... Magnus Carlsen is a "one in a generation" chess player ... probably the greatest chess player of all time ... organizers know that if they have him in their tournament, they will get much much more viewership. More viewership means more money and more chances of success for the tournament. They will go out of their way to make sure he comes back again. If Nepo would not be there, it would be a loss for the tournament, but hardly a big deal. If MC would not be in that tournament, every one reading this post would probably not even know that tournament existed.