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Fischer Interesting Video

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that 'Frenchman' was Philidor :wink:

PS the late mr Robert James F. imo was exaggerating a bit; since Philidor, chess still
evolved a bit until Steinitz (*). And as he points out, opening theory even evolved a bit more
after Morphy. Thereafter at highest levels is would be with slow games and adjournments
as during the Fischer years) imo mostly a matter of style, and avoiding mistakes (or
exploiting mistakes of your opponent, eg in endgames as Carlsen does. But gradually the
playing times of the games has increased, no more adjournments, and more stuff as rapid,
blitz and armageddon. So then it again isn't easy for humans ofcourse, as WC Ding Liren recently
shown (got mated in 2). So chess960 hasn't taken over yet (but with the more limited version
it might do so may quite soon); whereby the restricted TCEC chess version also is an option.
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Leo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:45 am

The first two comments on the video (if you open it in YouTube) are both good:

1. morphy said same: ''the ability to play chess is sign of a gentleman. the ability to play chess well is sign of wasted life."

2. Basically he is saying chess was fun when it was open for new discovery. Now it has been analyzed to death.
The simple reveals itself after the complex has been exhausted.
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towforce wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:47 pm [...]
1. morphy said same: ''the ability to play chess is sign of a gentleman. the ability to play chess well is sign of wasted life."
[...]
Apply onto chess programming ;)

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Maybe computerchess is similar.
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smatovic wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:52 pmApply onto chess programming ;)
mclane wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:53 pmMaybe computerchess is similar.

The proverb goes, "Great minds think alike..." (link) - but today it's "German minds think alike". :)

In the two posts above, smatovic and mclane are saying almost exactly the same thing about a minute apart! :D
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The situation in todays compterchess with the zillions of engines beeing >3000 ELO reminds me much on Fischers sayings about chess beeing not the game he knew anymore. Thats why he did fischer random chess.

Isn‘t todays computerchess in the same trap ?
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Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....