CHESS: Chess History, Experiments, and Search Symposium

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CHESS: Chess History, Experiments, and Search Symposium

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Can anyone share some information on this event and what could be experienced there (other than the announcement itself)?
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There should be recordings of the event up on the ICGA site soon. I'm fairly sure because they asked some help with the video editing yesterday :-)
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:57 am There should be recordings of the event up on the ICGA site soon. I'm fairly sure because they asked some help with the video editing yesterday :-)
The recordings have since been posted: https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/ICGA/CHESS.mp4

Unfortunately the technical level of presentation is partly low (some parts are OK though). It is also a bit unclear who all this stuff is aimed at. Some parts were at a level that was clearly even too low for me content-wise.

Much of the presentation is also extremely boring. So I just skimmed through it. I have a hard time imagining someone looking at all of this without having been present in Spain.

Were there any highlights I should have seen? I would be grateful for a hint then.

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Hello Peter:
Peter Berger wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:10 pmThe recordings have since been posted: https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/ICGA/CHESS.mp4

Unfortunately the technical level of presentation is partly low (some parts are OK though). It is also a bit unclear who all this stuff is aimed at. Some parts were at a level that was clearly even too low for me content-wise.

Much of the presentation is also extremely boring. So I just skimmed through it. I have a hard time imagining someone looking at all of this without having been present in Spain.

Were there any highlights I should have seen? I would be grateful for a hint then.

Peter
Thank you very much! I had completely forgotten that. The video can be downloaded, with a size of 3.45 GB and a duration of 3:24:22.

There are other related documents at the parent directory of the video, this is:

https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/ICGA/

Code: Select all

World Computer Chess Championships and CHESS event

ECAI, Santiago de Compostela, October 2024
I jumped over the video to get a quick glance of it. There are some nice photos; old newspaper clippings summarizing participants, hardware, etc.; and so on. I would highlight a short, original footage from 2nd WCCC Toronto 1977, which can be downloaded standalone from:

https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonatha ... C-1977.mp4

With a size of 9.65 MB and a duration of 0:02:16 (starting at 0:35:19 in the main 3+ hours video), which features the end of the last-round game BELLE — CHESS 4.6, won by checkmate by black, which confirmed CHESS 4.6 as the champion of the event:

Position guessed from the low resolution footage, might be partially wrong:
[pgn][Event "Second World Computer Chess Championship"]
[Site "Toronto (Canada)"]
[Date "August 9th, 1977"]
[White "BELLE"]
[Black "CHESS 4.6"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/7R/4p3/3pk1p1/1n3pr1/5b1K/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Kh2 Nd3 2. Rh3 Rg2+ 3. Kh1 Nf2# 0-1[/pgn]

Right after (from 0:37:39), the long video focused some minutes on a position from the same 2nd WCCC Toronto 1977 between DUCHESS and KAISSA (slide 29 of this presentation). KAISSA was losing and sacrificed a whole rook in order to avoid a shocking checkmate in few moves, like noted at page 33 of January 1978 issue of Chess Life & Review magazine (page 38 of the following PDF):

https://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL-AN ... 978_01.pdf
David Levy wrote:[...] The DUCHESS-KAISSA game was a positional crunch followed by a material carnage. At one point KAISSA gave up a whole Rook, and neither Botvinnik nor I could understand why; but later KAISSA pointed out that we had missed a three-move mate (which KAISSA had seen) if the Rook had not been sacrificed!
[pgn][Event "Second World Computer Chess Championship"]
[Site "Toronto (Canada)"]
[Date "August 7th, 1977"]
[White "DUCHESS"]
[Black "KAISSA"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "Q5k1/4rp1p/1p1q1bp1/1B1n4/3Pp1P1/4B2P/PP3P2/2R3K1 b - - 0 34"]
[Result "1-0"]

34. ... Re8 (34. ... Kg7 35. Qf8+ Kxf8 36. Bh6+ Bg7 (36. ... Kg8 37. Rc8+ Qd8 (37. ... Re8 38. Rxe8+ Qf8 39. Rxf8# 1-0) 38. Rxd8+ Re8 39. Rxe8# 1-0) 37. Rc8+ Qd8 (37. ... Re8 38. Rxe8# 1-0) 38. Rxd8+ Re8 39. Rxe8# 1-0) 35. Qxe8+ * 1-0[/pgn]

Please note that Levy wrote about KAISSA seeing a 3-move checkmate, while is a 5-move checkmate according to SF.

https://lichess.org/iZ7hDLNI#67

Regards from Spain.

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Peter Berger wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:10 pm
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:57 am There should be recordings of the event up on the ICGA site soon. I'm fairly sure because they asked some help with the video editing yesterday :-)
The recordings have since been posted: https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/ICGA/CHESS.mp4

Unfortunately the technical level of presentation is partly low (some parts are OK though). It is also a bit unclear who all this stuff is aimed at. Some parts were at a level that was clearly even too low for me content-wise.

Much of the presentation is also extremely boring. So I just skimmed through it. I have a hard time imagining someone looking at all of this without having been present in Spain.

Were there any highlights I should have seen? I would be grateful for a hint then.

Peter

Thank you for finding that!

Gian-Carlo Pascutto: Please suggest uploading this video to YouTube. There would be big positives coming from that:

* smoother video replay

* sections

* able to skip backwards and forwards easily

* YouTube would generate a transcript for it, which would be very helpful
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