Ipmanchess Apple M3, M4 Benchmarks

[Hai]

Does someone have an M1, M2, M3, M4, Pro, Max, Ultra and can do some benchmarks please for:
https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd--in ... ckfish.php

Stockfish 14.1 https://github.com/official-stockfish/S ... h/releases
Open terminal and write: bench 1024 10 26 default depth nnue (change 10 to the number of CPU cores that you have)
Send results to: ipmanchess@telenet.be

[towforce]

Does someone have an M1, M2, M3, M4, Pro, Max, Ultra and can do some benchmarks please for:
https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd--in ... ckfish.php

Impressive that the top rig on your list is delivering 103 billion NPS: Richard Lang (author of the "genius" engines) visited (but did not compete in) the world computer chess championship in London in 2000. Dual processor PCs existed, but the rules restricted the computers to using one processor. I'll never forget the look of awe on Richard's face when I told him that some of the engines there were getting a million NPS.

When I've checked in the past, I've found a good (but not 100%) correlation between chess benchmarks and Geek Bench benchmarks, which is useful, because you can almost guarantee that there will be a Geek Bench score for any new CPU on the market. However, you can safely say that there probably isn't a Geek Bench score for your rig that delivers 131,072 threads.

[Hai]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

[Dariusz]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

Sure, I just sent the Apple Silicon M4 Pro benchmark result to Ipman: Stockfish 14.1, Nodes/second : 28528719

I have an Apple Mac Mini with cpu M4 Pro 12 cores (8 - high-performance + 4 - high-efficiency).
I use this hardware for computer chess (MCERL - Mac Chess Engines Rating List, managing the chessengeria.eu website, compiling chess engines for Linux, Mac, Windows, and so on).

I can write about the M4 Pro in only superlatives.
This computer is clearly faster than my MacBook Pro with cpu M1, which I've been using for the aforementioned purposes for the past few years. The benchmark command result indicates that its 12 cores are about as efficient as the 32-core M2 Ultra:
28.337.131 Apple M2 Ultra @3.63GHz ddr5 6400
28.528.719 Apple M4 Pro 4.5GHz high-performance 2.9GHz high-efficiency, 24GB LPDDR5

As you can see, the difference is very small in favor of the M4 Pro.
Mac Mini M4 Pro is a relatively small computer that will fit on any desk.

It works noiselessly. Only after prolonged loading of 10 cores does the fan turn on. After several hours of loading 10 cores - during MCERL games, the computer runs stably with temperatures below 90 degrees Celsius (I leave 2 cores for macOS and other activities).

I will not write about macOS. I will add that after several decades with other operating systems, I know very well what I need and how to get it. macOS more than meets my needs. On top of that, it is smooth, fast, responsive and allows me to run good software, not just for chess.

Already the M1 Pro offered excellent virtualization of other systems (Linux, Windows) only on 8GB ram. Now having 24GB of ram, as before and now I can simultaneously work with several running operating systems at once while compiling chess engines, for example.

Interestingly, on the M4 Pro the Lc0 0.31.2 chess engine with a large and good BT4-1740 neural network finally plays at the level of powerful engines; it scored 3692 CElo points in MCERL. And Lc0's style of play makes you positively giddy I just finished running a tournament of elite chess engines, which I will soon publish on my website, chessengeria.eu. Lc0 placed well and played some remarkable games!

Another important aspect is that M4 Pro's energy efficiency is strikingly low compared to other PCs. Of course, this depends on what the computer is used for, although according to my tests (chess engine matches) on average it is from just a few to several dozen watts for the Mac Mini M4 Pro versus several hundred watts of a PC with a modern processor and geforce/radeon graphics card.

In Poland, the country in which I live, the ordinary Mac Mini M4 is very well priced, it's a relatively cheap computer. Its more powerful version, the M4 Pro, which I use is also not expensive in relation to the capabilities that this equipment offers.

After more than a month of time stress-testing this equipment with chess engine matches, I can confidently write that it is a highly durable piece of equipment (just like my already several years old MacBook Pro M1). Stable as a monolith. I did not notice any performance degradation or system problems, which was a common problem I found in other platforms. This is my next Mac for the next years of chess adventure.

In summary, the Mac Mini M4 Pro stands out as a cost-effective, energy-efficient, and stable powerhouse for chess engine enthusiasts and beyond. I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone looking for a reliable companion for advanced chess analysis or everyday computing.

[Werewolf]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

Sure, I just sent the Apple Silicon M4 Pro benchmark result to Ipman: Stockfish 14.1, Nodes/second : 28528719

I have an Apple Mac Mini with cpu M4 Pro 12 cores (8 - high-performance + 4 - high-efficiency).
I use this hardware for computer chess (MCERL - Mac Chess Engines Rating List, managing the chessengeria.eu website, compiling chess engines for Linux, Mac, Windows, and so on).

I can write about the M4 Pro in only superlatives.
This computer is clearly faster than my MacBook Pro with cpu M1, which I've been using for the aforementioned purposes for the past few years. The benchmark command result indicates that its 12 cores are about as efficient as the 32-core M2 Ultra:

M2 Ultra is 24 cores, no?
(16 performance, 8 efficiency)

[Dariusz]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

Sure, I just sent the Apple Silicon M4 Pro benchmark result to Ipman: Stockfish 14.1, Nodes/second : 28528719

I have an Apple Mac Mini with cpu M4 Pro 12 cores (8 - high-performance + 4 - high-efficiency).
I use this hardware for computer chess (MCERL - Mac Chess Engines Rating List, managing the chessengeria.eu website, compiling chess engines for Linux, Mac, Windows, and so on).

I can write about the M4 Pro in only superlatives.
This computer is clearly faster than my MacBook Pro with cpu M1, which I've been using for the aforementioned purposes for the past few years. The benchmark command result indicates that its 12 cores are about as efficient as the 32-core M2 Ultra:

M2 Ultra is 24 cores, no?
(16 performance, 8 efficiency)

@Werewolf – You're absolutely right, and thank you for pointing that out! That was my mistake; I was in a bit of a rush. Of course, the M2 Ultra has 24 cores (16 performance, 8 efficiency), not 32. I admit I got carried away there. Thanks for catching that!

[Hai]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

Sure, I just sent the Apple Silicon M4 Pro benchmark result to Ipman: Stockfish 14.1, Nodes/second : 28528719

I have an Apple Mac Mini with cpu M4 Pro 12 cores (8 - high-performance + 4 - high-efficiency).
I use this hardware for computer chess (MCERL - Mac Chess Engines Rating List, managing the chessengeria.eu website, compiling chess engines for Linux, Mac, Windows, and so on).

I can write about the M4 Pro in only superlatives.
This computer is clearly faster than my MacBook Pro with cpu M1, which I've been using for the aforementioned purposes for the past few years. The benchmark command result indicates that its 12 cores are about as efficient as the 32-core M2 Ultra:

M2 Ultra is 24 cores, no?
(16 performance, 8 efficiency)

@Werewolf – You're absolutely right, and thank you for pointing that out! That was my mistake; I was in a bit of a rush. Of course, the M2 Ultra has 24 cores (16 performance, 8 efficiency), not 32. I admit I got carried away there. Thanks for catching that!

M4 ULTRA is the one with 32 cores
It could have 24+8. If it would be Macbook ULTRA (2x 12+4).
But a Mac Studio has probably something like 28+4.

[Hai]

Can any of the many people here who have a Mac mini M4 PRO report on their experiences with this device?

Sure, I just sent the Apple Silicon M4 Pro benchmark result to Ipman: Stockfish 14.1, Nodes/second : 28528719

I have an Apple Mac Mini with cpu M4 Pro 12 cores (8 - high-performance + 4 - high-efficiency).
I use this hardware for computer chess (MCERL - Mac Chess Engines Rating List, managing the chessengeria.eu website, compiling chess engines for Linux, Mac, Windows, and so on).

I can write about the M4 Pro in only superlatives.
This computer is clearly faster than my MacBook Pro with cpu M1, which I've been using for the aforementioned purposes for the past few years. The benchmark command result indicates that its 12 cores are about as efficient as the 32-core M2 Ultra:
28.337.131 Apple M2 Ultra @3.63GHz ddr5 6400
28.528.719 Apple M4 Pro 4.5GHz high-performance 2.9GHz high-efficiency, 24GB LPDDR5

As you can see, the difference is very small in favor of the M4 Pro.
Mac Mini M4 Pro is a relatively small computer that will fit on any desk.

It works noiselessly. Only after prolonged loading of 10 cores does the fan turn on. After several hours of loading 10 cores - during MCERL games, the computer runs stably with temperatures below 90 degrees Celsius (I leave 2 cores for macOS and other activities).

I will not write about macOS. I will add that after several decades with other operating systems, I know very well what I need and how to get it. macOS more than meets my needs. On top of that, it is smooth, fast, responsive and allows me to run good software, not just for chess.

Already the M1 Pro offered excellent virtualization of other systems (Linux, Windows) only on 8GB ram. Now having 24GB of ram, as before and now I can simultaneously work with several running operating systems at once while compiling chess engines, for example.

Interestingly, on the M4 Pro the Lc0 0.31.2 chess engine with a large and good BT4-1740 neural network finally plays at the level of powerful engines; it scored 3692 CElo points in MCERL. And Lc0's style of play makes you positively giddy I just finished running a tournament of elite chess engines, which I will soon publish on my website, chessengeria.eu. Lc0 placed well and played some remarkable games!

Another important aspect is that M4 Pro's energy efficiency is strikingly low compared to other PCs. Of course, this depends on what the computer is used for, although according to my tests (chess engine matches) on average it is from just a few to several dozen watts for the Mac Mini M4 Pro versus several hundred watts of a PC with a modern processor and geforce/radeon graphics card.

In Poland, the country in which I live, the ordinary Mac Mini M4 is very well priced, it's a relatively cheap computer. Its more powerful version, the M4 Pro, which I use is also not expensive in relation to the capabilities that this equipment offers.

After more than a month of time stress-testing this equipment with chess engine matches, I can confidently write that it is a highly durable piece of equipment (just like my already several years old MacBook Pro M1). Stable as a monolith. I did not notice any performance degradation or system problems, which was a common problem I found in other platforms. This is my next Mac for the next years of chess adventure.

In summary, the Mac Mini M4 Pro stands out as a cost-effective, energy-efficient, and stable powerhouse for chess engine enthusiasts and beyond. I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone looking for a reliable companion for advanced chess analysis or everyday computing.

Congrats that's a great result
Only 12 cores and this Apple thing is faster than the maxed out M2 ULTRA.
We are still waiting for ipman to update the results.
Do you regret not to buy the 14 cores M4 PRO to have even more speed?
Or the MacBook Pro 16-inch M4 MAX which has +4 cores, +23% faster https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_c ... cpu_16_gpu
= 34.000.000

The M4 ULTRA will have around 68.000.000.
https://ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd--in ... ckfish.php

Do you have a link to the: 3692 CElo points in MCERL?

[Dariusz]

Thank you for your kind words!

I don't regret not buying a more powerful Mac - I wanted a device that is getting attention among Chessengeria users and that people often ask about. I don't care about the fastest computer possible, but rather one that best suits the needs of my community and my own.

The M4 PRO provides me with the perfect balance: performance, efficiency and energy to manage both my website and MCERL.

As for the Lc0 score, here's the link:
https://www.chessengeria.eu/mcerl

[Werewolf]

Thank you for your kind words!

I don't regret not buying a more powerful Mac - I wanted a device that is getting attention among Chessengeria users and that people often ask about. I don't care about the fastest computer possible, but rather one that best suits the needs of my community and my own.

The M4 PRO provides me with the perfect balance: performance, efficiency and energy to manage both my website and MCERL.

As for the Lc0 score, here's the link:
https://www.chessengeria.eu/mcerl

What nps do you get on BT4?