What's Changed? (Komodo)

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What's Changed? (Komodo)

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Komodo 8 64bit Time 6:42 +-

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25.01 2:29 +0.25 1.Bg3 h5 2.h4 exd4 3.Nxd4 Bd7 4.Nxc6 Bxc6 5.a4 a6 6.Nd2 O-O-O 7.Re1 Qg7 8.a5 gxh4 9.Bxh4 Ba7 10.Nf3 Re8 11.Nd4 Bxe4 12.f3 Bc6 13.Rxe8+ Bxe8 14.Qe2 (819.636.374) 5466
26.01 4:15 +0.37++ 1.Bg3 (1.410.559.538) 5517
26.01 4:31 +0.25-- 1.Bg3 h5 (1.511.187.777) 5570 TB:45
26.02 4:41 +0.49++ 1.Nxg5 (1.583.469.438) 5619 TB:50
26.01 5:15 +0.73++ 1.Nxg5 (1.799.766.423) 5705 TB:50
26.01 5:56 +1.09++ 1.Nxg5 (2.049.323.103) 5754 TB:50
26.01 6:42 +1.36 1.Nxg5 fxg5 2.Qh5+ Kd7 3.Bxg5 Nf6 4.Qh6 Rf8 5.f4 exd4 6.Kh1 Na5 7.Bb5+ c6 8.e5 cxb5 9.Bxf6 Qf7 10.e6+ Kxe6 11.Bg7+ Qg6 12.Bxf8 Qxh6 13.f5+ Kf6 14.Bxh6 (2.346.539.266) 5827 TB:50

Komodo 9 64bit Time 26:56 +-

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29.01 14:36 +0.14-- 1.Bg3 h5 (4.841.860.172) 5521 TB:21
29.01 22:32 +0.07-- 1.Bg3 h5 (7.547.399.295) 5579 TB:48
29.03 23:43 +0.21++ 1.Nxg5 (7.973.619.652) 5600 TB:48
29.01 23:54 +0.31++ 1.Nxg5 (8.040.301.363) 5604 TB:48
29.01 24:16 +0.46++ 1.Nxg5 (8.186.916.305) 5619 TB:48
29.01 24:32 +0.68++ 1.Nxg5 (8.284.365.525) 5625 TB:48
29.01 25:05 +1.01++ 1.Nxg5 (8.491.029.539) 5639 TB:48
29.01 26:02 +1.50++ 1.Nxg5 (8.851.893.168) 5666 TB:49
29.01 26:56 +1.68 1.Nxg5 fxg5 2.Qh5+ Kd7 3.Bxg5 Nf6 4.Qh6 Rf8 5.f4 exd4 6.Kh1 Na5 7.Bb5+ c6 8.e5 cxb5 9.Bxf6 Qf7 10.e6+ Kxe6 11.Bg7+ Qg6 12.Bxf8 Qxh6 13.f5+ Kf7 14.Bxh6 (9.193.332.472) 5687 TB:50
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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lucasart wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed? To be more precise What's changed that it takes now twenty minutes longer to see Ng5 +- ?
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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AdminX wrote:
lucasart wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed? To be more precise What's changed that it takes now twenty minutes longer to see Ng5 +- ?
Perhaps they give lower ranks to bad captures. Also in Skipper if I use LMR I search deeper but find less Mates.
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Re: The response for Mr.Ted

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AdminX wrote:
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed?
Hello !

The single (academic) response is:

-it is the same position;
-the times were changed !

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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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AdminX wrote:
lucasart wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed? To be more precise What's changed that it takes now twenty minutes longer to see Ng5 +- ?
Then it's not a very pertinent question. You can't conclude anything from a single position. Perhaps it takes longer for this one, but solves another one faster. You'd need to do some testing on thousands of positions to arrive at some kind of conclusion.

But, yes, maybe Komodo's search has become more selective, and misses some tactical shots along the way for the sake of gaining elo. You can't optimize both for elo and for solving tactical test suites, you have to choose.
Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time.
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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Henk wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lucasart wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed? To be more precise What's changed that it takes now twenty minutes longer to see Ng5 +- ?
Perhaps they give lower ranks to bad captures. Also in Skipper if I use LMR I search deeper but find less Mates.
So you are saying perhaps there are changes in LMR, if I understand you correctly.
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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Re: What's Changed? (Komodo)

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AdminX wrote:
Henk wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lucasart wrote:
AdminX wrote:
lech wrote:Ted, maybe now you will understand that the ELO racing goes to nothing.
The liked by you strongest engines (3) will be the stupidest ones too.
The abilities in tactical, zugzwang or other tough but rare posisions can only stop the ELO gain (e.g. Houdini).
I hope it is a good experience for you (and other) and it will help you to change your bad decisions.
Thanks for a normal diagram! :)
Thank you for not answering the question, just trolling I see! :roll:
There was no question in your initial post. What is your question ?
The question is right there in the title, What's Changed? To be more precise What's changed that it takes now twenty minutes longer to see Ng5 +- ?
Perhaps they give lower ranks to bad captures. Also in Skipper if I use LMR I search deeper but find less Mates.
So you are saying perhaps there are changes in LMR, if I understand you correctly.
Yes or move ordering. Searches use heuristic rules so there is always a chance that it oversees good moves. Or they find them too late.