Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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CornfedForever wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:53 pm
Collingwood wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:08 pm
Are you kidding? :shock:
Naming no names, In every forum you will find 'someone' stirring the pot for the sake of exercising what muscles they may (not otherwise?) have. As I like to say, they may be cute, but 'don't feed the animals'.

Online, Hans has a history.
OTB...none that anyone has produced to this point. Most people choose to exercise their inner Jack Webb when it comes to things like this.
Carlsen admitted that GM Hans is playing very well ==>
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:57 am
CornfedForever wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:53 pm
Collingwood wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:08 pm
Are you kidding? :shock:
Naming no names, In every forum you will find 'someone' stirring the pot for the sake of exercising what muscles they may (not otherwise?) have. As I like to say, they may be cute, but 'don't feed the animals'.

Online, Hans has a history.
OTB...none that anyone has produced to this point. Most people choose to exercise their inner Jack Webb when it comes to things like this.
Carlsen admitted that GM Hans is playing very well ==>
Carlsen can cheat, therefore, a cheater calling somebody else a cheater, here is the video ==> https://livestreamfails.com/clip/129972
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm
dkappe wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:20 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:13 pm I absolutely know the difference between Dlugy and Ivanov and remember Dlugy from ICC days... I think there was a Tourney on Chess.com where he was winning everything and got disconnected. There was a big fuss about that at the time of whether he was just disconnected or got cut off by Chess.com. Maybe it was nothing but somehow I remember that and when MC mentioned Dlugy then it did seem to click. If he is now in prison in Russia then I hope it is not because of anything nefarious he did and it is just a political thing. If he is in prison how could he be Hans trainer?
Stop with your gossiping. You’re worse than Nakamura.

A quick check of Wikipedia and other sources:
Dlugy was imprisoned in Russia in April 2005 on charges of embezzlement, but was acquitted and freed later that year.
Wait ... what ???? Dlugy ... the trainer of Hans Neiman is someone who went to jail for embezzlement? :D :D :D Do you know what going to jail for embezzlement means?? It means stealing from someone or from somewhere you work for! I know we have a tough crowd here where cheating is absolutely fine and acceptable ... but sorry to say ... going to jail for embezzlement is not a good sign IMHO!!! Happy for him that he got acquitted nd wouldn't wish a Russian prison on anyone ... but this just got a lot more interesting!
Maxim Dlugy was/is his (Hans) trainer? Wow...That Name Brings back some memories! Dlugy was a USA born former World Junior Champion and finished 2nd in the US Chess Championships (1984) USCF Chess magazine was in Love with Dlugy (They thought he might be a future World Champion) And the Chess Life Magazine often Published his chess games
from various events.... :) :wink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Dlugy

https://en.chessbase.com/post/gm-max-dl ... ent-charge

https://en.chessbase.com/post/gm-max-dl ... -charge/12

https://www.chessmaxacademy.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH2q3I1SKc Hikaru Plays Dlugy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-G3I1u8wss GM Rensch plays Dlugy
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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I got crushed a few times in blitz vs Dlugy back in the pre online days. Scary good. Great memory. And much more of a mensch than Magnus.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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dkappe wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:03 am I got crushed a few times in blitz vs Dlugy back in the pre online days. Scary good. Great memory. And much more of a mensch than Magnus.
He is a nice guy and has a lovely family.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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For those of you thinking that Hans had to have been cheating after his nice mate against Aronian, well think again.

[pgn]
[Event "Julius Baer Generation Cup"]
[Site "chess24.com INT"]
[Date "2022.09.20"]
[EventDate "2022.09.18"]
[Round "11.8"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Hans Moke Niemann"]
[Black "Levon Aronian"]
[ECO "B90"]
[WhiteElo "2688"]
[BlackElo "2759"]
[PlyCount "42"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bd3 g6 7. f3 Bg7 8. Be2
Nbd7 9. O-O b6 10. Be3 Bb7 11. Qd2 Qc7 12. g4 Ne5 13. g5 Nfd7 14. b3 e6 15. f4
Rc8 16. Ndb5 axb5 17. Nxb5 Qxc2 18. Nxd6+ Ke7 19. fxe5 Nxe5 20. Qb4 Qxe2 21.
Nf5+ 1-0
[/pgn]

The 70’s called. They want their mating patterns back.

[pgn]
[Event "Niksic"]
[Site "Niksic YUG"]
[Date "1978.06.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Wolfgang Uhlmann"]
[Black "Ljubomir Ljubojevic"]
[ECO "A30"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "33"]

1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.e4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nc6 6.Be3 d6 7.Nc3
a6 8.Be2 e6 9.Qd2 Ne5 10.Rd1 Qc7 11.Ndb5 axb5 12.Nxb5 Qc6
13.Nxd6+ Ke7 14.Qb4 Kf6 15.f4 g5 16.fxe5 Kg6 17.Nxf7 1-0
[/pgn]

Now which of these two was cheating with a computer?
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Albert Silver wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:55 pm
Werewolf wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:39 pm
Albert Silver wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:53 pm

Personally, it was the opening move 8.Be2 that actually shocked me. The stupidest looking novelty I ever saw, whose only goal seems to be to lose a tempo.
Not so sure, the bishop has served its purpose on d3 and he doesn't want it swapped off by a knight landing on e5. Not a bad idea. Of course it was opening prep.

14.b3 on the other hand...wow you have to be sure before playing a move like that. The calculations which followed were flawless.
Why? It seemed like a completely natural move to prevent ...Nc4.
I suppose I'm influenced by Michael Stean's classic book "simple chess" which makes b3 in the Sicilian look like a novice's move due to the backward c pawn. In fact, getting a knight to c4 is Stean's favorite outpost in the Sicilian due to white's inability to (correctly) play b3.

But here it works, granted.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Well it seems my memory was correct and I do remember something to do with Dlugy being kicked off a tournament where he was crushing everyone. Maxim Dlugy WAS accused of cheating a while back and while I am not 100% sure ... it is strange that Magnus Carlsen mentions his name ... and also strange that Hans was caught off guard and didn't quite now how to answer the question when asked if he had trainers and who they were! Of course it could be nothing and MC didn't mean anything by it ... but in the interview it sure seems to be a similar comment to his Jose Maurinho comment.

Anyway some of you guys are taking this issue way too personal. I understand how people might have strong views either way and that is totally acceptable ... but let's try and keep this civil and non personal.

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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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M ANSARI wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:50 am ... it is strange that Magnus Carlsen mentions his name ... and also strange that Hans... ... but in the interview it sure seems,,,
From one little post alone...

You sir are what is referred to as a 'significance junkie'. It is littered throughout everything you write.
Harmless and even entertaining to a degree to watch as you would weave together 'meaning' from diverse things.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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CornfedForever wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:53 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:50 am ... it is strange that Magnus Carlsen mentions his name ... and also strange that Hans... ... but in the interview it sure seems,,,
From one little post alone...

You sir are what is referred to as a 'significance junkie'. It is littered throughout everything you write.
Harmless and even entertaining to a degree to watch as you would weave together 'meaning' from diverse things.
Look ... I absolutely see your point of view ... I really do. I probably would be saying the same thing in some instances... but I am more plugged into online chess than you are, and for many years I watched these tourneys ... I do remember many years back about this online cheating by Dlugy. It was not even a sophisticated cheat ... like 98% first engine moves in a bunch of games in a row. I knew some people involved who told me he was banned for cheating. Maybe they were making it up ... but the games are out there and you can check for yourself. As for his embezzlement thing in Russia ... I did mention that if it was politicial stunt by some of Putin's goons then I would disregard it and apparently it was ... so forget about that even though it was unusual ... and with the confirmed cheating maybe even more unusual. But that Dlugy cheated and was caught cheating online and banned... that is not something I made up ... that was something that Chess.com did. Now knowing what I know about that banning, when MC dropped Dlugy's name I immediately thought back to the Chess.com banning Dlugy in that tournament. I had no idea Dlugy was ever involved in anything Hans did. The fact that MC mentioned him as the mentor of Hans might have nothing to do with anything. Also the fact that Chess.com recently bought out MC companies ... so they must be giving him information that we don't see. Remember also that Chess.com also banned Hans for cheating so you really can't blame me for seeing some sort of connection.

Anyway let's see what pans out as I also don't feel comfortable with the situation. You can fast forward to 10:45 and you can maybe get more information about this. I know a lot of you don't want to be on the wrong side of wrongly accusing anyone for anything and I respect that ... but really something is up!