Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[dkappe]

He is playing in the US champs next week against Aronian, Caruana, So and Dominguez.

https://www.uschesschamps.com/2022-us-c ... /the-field

I hope they have enemas ready

Now I begin to understand your fascination with this topic. I’ll second the advice you’ve already received to let it go.

[glennsamuel32]

Analyzed the Mishra game with CB Centipawn Analysis

http://help.chessbase.com/CBase/16/Eng/ ... alysis.htm

Used lc0 with a search time of 0...

[pgn][Event "CCCSA Fall GM 2020"]
[Site "Charlotte USA"]
[Date "2020.10.04"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Mishra, Abhimanyu"]
[Black "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C55"]
[WhiteElo "2342"]
[BlackElo "2465"]
[Annotator "GLENN"]
[PlyCount "112"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

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[Chessqueen]

He is playing in the US champs next week against Aronian, Caruana, So and Dominguez.

https://www.uschesschamps.com/2022-us-c ... /the-field

His BIO is interesting, but they forgot to tell us in parenthesis, that he is suspected of cheating, therefore, he should be playing with only his Swimsuit on GM Hans was awarded the Grandmaster title in January 2021 at the age of 17 and in the next year and half since then achieved a peak live rating of 2695. Since graduating from high school, Hans has been playing non stop tournaments around the world and online. Some of Niemann’s recent tournament wins include World Open 2021, Tepe Sigeman 2022, the 55th Capablanca Memorial, and the 2021 U.S. Junior Championship. His favorite activities outside of chess are swimming, tennis, cycling, and table tennis.

[syzygy]

Uri - Of course it’s ‘worse’ in that one is premeditated and the other is incidental…but with Magnus CHOSING to cheat when offered the opportunity. Think of it as Murder vs Manslaughter – either way you killed someone.

I think people (like me anyway) bring up Carlsen’s cheating because:


1. It is the pot calling the kettle black; and

2. Some who are willing to extrapolate and lynch Hans in all forms of chess are often want to bring out their ‘broad brushes’ and will say things like “Once a cheater, always a cheater”…but when confronted with the Magnus video are just as eager to rationalize that one away.

You simply can’t have it both ways.

To some ‘war is war’, to others it’s a ‘special military action’. May they sleep better at night.

It is simply totally irrelevant to this thread.
Maybe Carlsen likes to torture kittens. Complain all you want, but do it in another thread.

[dkappe]

It is simply totally irrelevant to this thread.
Maybe Carlsen likes to torture kittens. Complain all you want, but do it in another thread.

Have you read this thread?

[syzygy]

Magnus and Hans made the Dutch "Jeugdjournaal" (news for kids):


Nothing new, obviously, but the ending was funny:

Er is in ieder geval weer één verliezer. Carlsen, als blijkt dat hij ernaast zit. Of Niemann, als hij inderdaad een chip in zijn sok had. Of misschien... ergens anders... in?

In any case, there is one loser. Carlsen, if it turns out he was wrong. Or Niemann, if indeed he had a chip in his sock. Or maybe... in... something else?

[syzygy]

It is simply totally irrelevant to this thread.
Maybe Carlsen likes to torture kittens. Complain all you want, but do it in another thread.

Have you read this thread?

Yes, and please stick to the topic.

[dkappe]

It is simply totally irrelevant to this thread.
Maybe Carlsen likes to torture kittens. Complain all you want, but do it in another thread.

Have you read this thread?

Yes, and please stick to the topic.

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe. In particular, if someone who has cheated in the past should be believed. Is that now all out of bounds? Or is this just about Magnus’ withdrawal from the tournament, and any discussion of cheating by Magnus, Niemann or anyone else is off topic?

Do you have a clear idea of what is on-topic that isn’t just arbitrary censoring of arguments that you don’t like?

[Alexander Schmidt]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

I think you mix up something. It is not Carlsen vs. Niemann, Carlsen is not the only one who speaks out suspicions, also other GM's and different AI cheat detection systems are on the trigger. The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

[dkappe]

Well, part of this thread has been about who we should believe.

I think you mix up something. It is not Carlsen vs. Niemann, Carlsen is not the only one who speaks out suspicions, also other GM's and different AI cheat detection systems are on the trigger. The question whether Hans is cheating or not has nothing to do with Carlsens credibility. so it is completely useless to question his credibility because he said "how" at the wrong time.

Ah, at the time this thread was started, Carlsen said nothing about cheating. People started speculating about both Niemann’s and Carlsen’s cheating.