Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Vasik Rajlich wrote:
Steve B wrote:Seriously though Rick

i wonder if we could make the match more interesting ...

i have a theory that Gm's of Benjamins strength and experience with chess engines can still play close to even with the White pieces but no longer as Black


so i am proposing the following for which i would add to the prize fund a Guaranteed appearance fee to GM Benjamin of $1500 (all other monetary conditions would remain the same)

The GM plays White 4 games against a fully loaded Rybka with full Noomen book and full table bases

with the Black pieces the GM receives DRAW ODDS(meaning that a draw is scored as a win for black)
book limited to 5 moves..full table bases

if the GM will not agree to that then another possibility is for the GM
as Black to receive pawns odds(and therefore no book ) table bases allowed

the pawn to be removed is randomly chosen at the start of each game by the drawing of lots(sealed letters a-h)
each successive pawns odds game will be chosen from the remaining pawns so as not to repeat the same pawn being removed



in my opinion these two alternatives would be far more interesting then the present match conditions

ALL other match terms and conditions as already stated would hold

as the match now stands Joel could go home with NOTHING(if he were not to score any points) and would only walk away with the $150 Train fare
certainly a GM of Benjamin's Stature is deserving of something better then that

under my proposal he receives a Guaranteed appearance fee of $1500(which is only $700 less then the MAXIMUM he could win as it stands now)and he still has the chance to win the $2200

of course these two proposals are not straight up ..mano y mano contests with no odds
but i fear that the GM would not even consider to play on even terms and i doubt he could win such a match(although he could probably score some points)
i think the "draw odds" proposal is not so onerous and it does not alter the normal play of the game in any way as does material odds
hopefully he would agree to DRAW odds and not pawn odds with the black pieces

i would send the money by Paypal to Kaufman or the Rybka Paypal site(to be turned over to Kaufman) immediately as soon as i am contacted by either Kaufman or Rajlich so that they had the money in their hands well in advance of even mentioning the proposal to the GM
if he agrees the money is paid upon his appearance at Kaufmans home on the scheduled start day of the match..if he does not the money is returned to me

Best Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

thanks very much.

This match is handled by Larry Kaufman. I'm sending him an email to make sure that he's aware of your offer. He's on vacation right now so it might be a couple of days before you get an answer.

Indeed, we are still trying to raise a bit more money for this match.

Vas

Thanks Vas
i am glad you take my offer in the good spirit of competition that it was intended

i will send the money to you or Kaufman even BEFORE you mention the offer to GM Benjamin so that you have the comfort of knowing it is already in your hands

if you like i can send the money even right now to a Paypal address you provide me .(.either here or privately) ..i will incur all Paypal fees as well so that you have in your hands EXACTLY $1500

if GM Benjamin declines my offer (or if Kaufman declines it ) then the money can simply be returned to my Paypal account

Best Regards
Steve
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Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
Steve B

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Mark wrote:Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
:P
if Larry Agrees to that PLEASE get me an auto-graph from Joel

as for me..i am more then happy to watch the games from the comfort of my home .. logged onto the Convekta playing site .. as an unregistered guest.. as i did the last match

GM Benjamin 4.5-Rybka 3.5 Regards
Steve
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Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Consider it done, Steve. Even if Larry doesn't invite spectators, I'll deliver a pizza and get Joel and Larry to sign for it!

Mark

Steve B wrote:
Mark wrote:Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
:P
if Larry Agrees to that PLEASE get me an auto-graph from Joel

as for me..i am more then happy to watch the games from the comfort of my home .. logged onto the Convekta playing site .. as an unregistered guest.. as i did the last match

GM Benjamin 4.5-Rybka 3.5 Regards
Steve
Terry McCracken

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

Post by Terry McCracken »

Steve B wrote:
Mark wrote:Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
:P
if Larry Agrees to that PLEASE get me an auto-graph from Joel

as for me..i am more then happy to watch the games from the comfort of my home .. logged onto the Convekta playing site .. as an unregistered guest.. as i did the last match

GM Benjamin 4.5-Rybka 3.5 Regards
Steve
Hmmm....What can I do do get $1,500 out of you? Regards,
Terry
Steve B

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Terry McCracken wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Mark wrote:Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
:P
if Larry Agrees to that PLEASE get me an auto-graph from Joel

as for me..i am more then happy to watch the games from the comfort of my home .. logged onto the Convekta playing site .. as an unregistered guest.. as i did the last match

GM Benjamin 4.5-Rybka 3.5 Regards
Steve
Hmmm....What can I do do get $1,500 out of you? Regards,
Terry
Very Easy Terry

achieve an Elo of above 2600 for 10 years and then agree to play a draw odds match(black pieces only) against the current strongest PC engine

Walk In The Park Regards
Steve
Terry McCracken

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

Post by Terry McCracken »

Steve B wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Mark wrote:Maybe more money could be raised if Larry sets up a few folding chairs (or a leather recliner if Steve comes) in his living room and sells tickets? I live very close to Larry and would love to see a game or two.

Mark
:P
if Larry Agrees to that PLEASE get me an auto-graph from Joel

as for me..i am more then happy to watch the games from the comfort of my home .. logged onto the Convekta playing site .. as an unregistered guest.. as i did the last match

GM Benjamin 4.5-Rybka 3.5 Regards
Steve
Hmmm....What can I do do get $1,500 out of you? Regards,
Terry
Very Easy Terry

achieve an Elo of above 2600 for 10 years and then agree to play a draw odds match(black pieces only) against the current strongest PC engine

Walk In The Park Regards
Steve
Oh...yes...well it cost a great deal of money to earn a IGM title...something I didn't have.

Popper Regards,
Terry
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Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Steve B wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Hmmm....What can I do do get $1,500 out of you? Regards,
Terry
Very Easy Terry

achieve an Elo of above 2600 for 10 years and then agree to play a draw odds match(black pieces only) against the current strongest PC engine

Walk In The Park Regards
Steve
How about a correspondence ELO above 2600 (and correspondence draw odds games)? :lol:
- Robin Smith
Steve B

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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smirobth wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Hmmm....What can I do do get $1,500 out of you? Regards,
Terry
Very Easy Terry

achieve an Elo of above 2600 for 10 years and then agree to play a draw odds match(black pieces only) against the current strongest PC engine

Walk In The Park Regards
Steve
How about a correspondence ELO above 2600 (and correspondence draw odds games)? :lol:
hi Robin

well you are a two-time US Correspondence Champion and of course a GM so i think you would just eat Rybka for Breakfast

and besides..you will be too busy as a moderator for the CTF

Breakfast Of Champions Regards
Steve
Steve B

Re: Details about the Rybka v Joel Benjamin match

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Mark wrote:Consider it done, Steve. Even if Larry doesn't invite spectators, I'll deliver a pizza and get Joel and Larry to sign for it!

Mark

Thanks Mark

lets see if you can get Joel to sign either of these two photos(just in case they dont like Pizza)

here is a photo from the front cover of Chess Life(Nov.1982) showing Joel celebrating his second US Junior Championship at the age of 18

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 6542739/34


Joel was also very popular with the ladies too:

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 6583534/35

Paparazzi Regards
Steve