Polls in the Help and Suggestions subforum

[Graham Banks]

surely Graham even you can see the difference between a poll offered by an independent testing body then one given by someone seeking reelection and hoping to make some kind of point

i can argue that the majority of people voting will be the ones agreeing with your views on this and ones disagreeing will not vote merely because you are holding the poll


polls that are held by independent groups with no particular ax to grind are held in fair greater respect and taken far more seriously then ones given by special interest groups or the candidates themselves

i think the time honored system of each candidate making a statement detailing where he stands on the issues together with a summary of his moderation policy is a straight forward enough approach
the voters then choose who they agree with and vote accordingly


i see no need to change the way it has been done for a decade now

not sure why you do now

Regards
Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm interested in what the members who care enough about those issues think.
If that then means I need to rethink my views on certain aspects of moderation, then I'm humble enough to do so.
I think you do the members a disservice when you imply that only the ones who support me will vote in them. The voting so far in the "moving threads" poll clearly indicates that this is not the case.

Our candidate statements are important I agree, and those should form the basis on which members vote.

I'm not trying to change anything, just gain a better understanding of how the membership feels on the contentious issues that some have raised.

Regards, Graham.

[bob]

this shows an amazing lack of experience.

"the ones that care will vote".

Actually, the ones with an agenda will vote and vote often. It's happened in the past. We had a case several years ago where one person registered a _bunch_ of different login ids, in an attempt to stuff the moderator elections with people he wanted (he was frequently banned for his horrible posting mannerisms.)

Polls like this are no good. The only reasonable way of polling is to randomly sample the population by choosing those that should respond, rather than letting the splinter groups bias the results.

[Steve B]

surely Graham even you can see the difference between a poll offered by an independent testing body then one given by someone seeking reelection and hoping to make some kind of point

i can argue that the majority of people voting will be the ones agreeing with your views on this and ones disagreeing will not vote merely because you are holding the poll


polls that are held by independent groups with no particular ax to grind are held in fair greater respect and taken far more seriously then ones given by special interest groups or the candidates themselves

i think the time honored system of each candidate making a statement detailing where he stands on the issues together with a summary of his moderation policy is a straight forward enough approach
the voters then choose who they agree with and vote accordingly


i see no need to change the way it has been done for a decade now

not sure why you do now

Regards
Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm interested in what the members who care enough about those issues think.
If that then means I need to rethink my views on certain aspects of moderation, then I'm humble enough to do so.
I think you do the members a disservice when you imply that only the ones who support me will vote in them. The voting so far in the "moving threads" poll clearly indicates that this is not the case.

Our candidate statements are important I agree, and those should form the basis on which members vote.

I'm not trying to change anything, just gain a better understanding of how the membership feels on the contentious issues that some have raised.

Regards, Graham.

of course i do not imply anything of the sort about the members here
i state only that one can make this argument about a poll offered by an interested party rather then by an independent party

independent also means voters do not see the results as the vote is taking place..as that clearly can have an impact on the voting

the candidate statements and positions will be available for the
the members to read and then they will vote accordingly

perhaps you would like to suggest what issues the candidates should address in their statements?
that is something i think is reasonable and we the accepting nominees can discuss further

Steve

[Graham Banks]

the candidate statements and positions will be available for the
the members to read and then they will vote accordingly

perhaps you would like to suggest what issues the candidates should address in their statements?
that is something i think is reasonable and we the accepting nominees can discuss further

Steve

I think that members should be able to ask us our views on relevant issues in public.
It's not up to us to decide what these issues are.
I can start a "Questions for the Moderation Candidates" thread if you wish?

I saw that the contentious issues raised to date were the editing, locking and moving of threads, so I thought polls would be a useful way of seeing how the membership felt.

Of course, as individuals we can choose to ignore those polls if we wish and I can understand your concerns about them.
I certainly meant no harm or ulterior motive.

In fact, as I mentioned, the "moving threads temporarily" seems to indicate that it's a big no-no at present.
This is good to know because as a mod, it will make me think twice about doing it in future if applicable.

I still believe, as you do, that our moderation philosophy statements should be what voters look at carefully.
Those plus the answers we give to any questions asked.

I'm only interested in what's best for CCC.
If I don't get re-elected, that's fine. I'd accept that the membership probably wanted a change in personnel or direction or both.

Regards, Graham.

[Gandalf]

It's ridiculous how much whining has been caused by a few polls...

If you're concerned about such votes being manipulated by multiple accounts, there are some fairly simple solutions. For example, an administrator could create a temporary voting forum which only members who joined over 10 days ago have access to.

[Graham Banks]

I think that it's important for the membership to show the new moderation team their views on several contentious issues.

I've started polls in the Help and Suggestions subforum asking for your stance on three issues:

- editing threads
- locking threads
- removing threads

Please take a moment to register your votes.
As a new moderator, knowing how the majority of the members feel about such issues can only be helpful when deciding upon your policies.

It would be really good if as many members as possible could express their views on these matters by voting.

[Graham Banks]

Just bumping the thread to encourage members to register their votes on these issues.
Hope that doesn't antagonise anybody!

[Guetti]

Well, there is something good about the polls in the Help and Suggestions subforum. From the votes there I gather that there are around 30 active members left, which basically confims to me that most people left and CCC is basically dead.

[Steve B]

Well, there is something good about the polls in the Help and Suggestions subforum. From the votes there I gather that there are around 30 active members left, which basically confims to me that most people left and CCC is basically dead.

hopefully the elections will change that

Stay Tuned Regards
Steve

[Steve B]

confims to me that most people left and CCC is basically dead.

hopefully the elections will change that



it is no surprise that the vote totals are low in these last minute
self serving polls
most anyone could have foreseen that


Stay Tuned Regards
Steve