five good reasons for the losses of rybka vs. zappa

[Dann Corbit]

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So the gain on 8 CPUs for Zanzibar would be 5.8 times bigger than that of Rybka. Perhaps this is enough for Zappa to catch Rybka on 8 CPUs.....

I do not doubt that Zappa can catch Rybka. I only object to the supposition that Zappa is 190 Elo stronger than Rybka.

[Ryan Benitez]

You forgot the main reason.
Convekta sponsored the match and they did not have to do it.

Uri

It was supposed to be Rybka taking on Deep Junior but the Junior team did not agree to playing on a local machine, submitting an executable as well as logs after each game. Thus Zappa was brought in to fill the void and it was expected that Zappa would be overpowered easily like the GMs in the handicap matches. If Zappa were to lose in Mexico (like Junior was also expected to lose) then Rybka with its coming GUI/Rybka 3 would get a huge boost.

That is ridicules, it is the Rybka team that did not agree to the terms of play. If you want to beat the champion you do so on their own grounds. The $100,000 challenge was nothing short of an empty threat made for marketing reasons.

I do not understand.

The rybka team offered the money and you claim that it is the rybka team that did not agree to the terms of play?

Note that the world computer champion is rybka.
"If you want to beat the champion you do so on their own grounds." means that Junior had to agree to the conditions and the fact that Junior did not agree means that they did not want to play.

Note that the rybka team agreed to local hardware and also could agree to playing by remote computers assuming some steps to prevent cheating.

It was the Junior team that did not like it.

Uri

The Rybka team made the challenge because the champion is Junior. If the Junior team wants to use remote hardware use your own remote hardware also. I would not have turned down the Junior match over them wanting to use remote hardware. I also have nothing to lose from a marketing standpoint though.

[bedouin]

The Rybka team made the challenge because the champion is Junior. If the Junior team wants to use remote hardware use your own remote hardware also. I would not have turned down the Junior match over them wanting to use remote hardware. I also have nothing to lose from a marketing standpoint though.

Where did you get that version of events from? See this and tell me why Levy is described as saying handing of logs and executables out of bounds. Is that the same Levy who as President of the ICGA let Fritz and Junior compete in the President's Cup? How can he participate in the playing truant of Fritz and Junior from the World Computer Championship and then adopt the moral high ground? Isn't that diabolical? Which side is his bread buttered?

What would you have done if the Junior in the match made a move that the Junior's people have disagreed with?

[Uri Blass]

You forgot the main reason.
Convekta sponsored the match and they did not have to do it.

Uri

It was supposed to be Rybka taking on Deep Junior but the Junior team did not agree to playing on a local machine, submitting an executable as well as logs after each game. Thus Zappa was brought in to fill the void and it was expected that Zappa would be overpowered easily like the GMs in the handicap matches. If Zappa were to lose in Mexico (like Junior was also expected to lose) then Rybka with its coming GUI/Rybka 3 would get a huge boost.

That is ridicules, it is the Rybka team that did not agree to the terms of play. If you want to beat the champion you do so on their own grounds. The $100,000 challenge was nothing short of an empty threat made for marketing reasons.

I do not understand.

The rybka team offered the money and you claim that it is the rybka team that did not agree to the terms of play?

Note that the world computer champion is rybka.
"If you want to beat the champion you do so on their own grounds." means that Junior had to agree to the conditions and the fact that Junior did not agree means that they did not want to play.

Note that the rybka team agreed to local hardware and also could agree to playing by remote computers assuming some steps to prevent cheating.

It was the Junior team that did not like it.

Uri

The Rybka team made the challenge because the champion is Junior. If the Junior team wants to use remote hardware use your own remote hardware also. I would not have turned down the Junior match over them wanting to use remote hardware. I also have nothing to lose from a marketing standpoint though.

1)Based on my understanding
The rybka team agreed to remote hardware in case of
"handing of logs and executables" in order to prevent cheating.
The junior team did not agree to the point of executables so they rejected the challange.

2)The original challange was loser pay all or a bet and not a challange when only convekta needs to pay in case of a loss.

I see no reason for convekta to risk 100,000$ in case of a loss without
caring at least to make sure that no cheating is done.

If an external sponsor want to risk 100,000$ then it is a different situation.

Uri