Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
ethical dilemma
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Rolf
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Re: ethical dilemma
Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
First SHOW me O!
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Mike S.
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Re: ethical dilemma
Different code does not result in identical bugs.Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will.
(But also, a big number of identical moves/evals does of course prove something.)
Regards, Mike
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Re: ethical dilemma
Christopher Conkie has a copy of the photo with Sergei Markoff and Yuri Osipov together.Rolf wrote:Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
First SHOW me O!
He was going to post it for us at some stage.
For some reason, the photo was originally available for everybody to view, but has since been removed.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Andrej Sidorov
Re: ethical dilemma
All those "secret" (:lol:) photos of Yuri Osipov and Sergei Markoff are still at sdchess.ru and never was removed.Graham Banks wrote:Christopher Conkie has a copy of the photo with Sergei Markoff and Yuri Osipov together.
He was going to post it for us at some stage.
For some reason, the photo was originally available for everybody to view, but has since been removed.
See http://sdchess.ru/march_oct_07.htm (May 9 news).
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Dr.Wael Deeb
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Re: ethical dilemma
Hehehe,now our hero Rolf will locate Osipov's house using an advanced sattelite technology and will teleport him to western eurropeAndrej Sidorov wrote:All those "secret" (:lol:) photos of Yuri Osipov and Sergei Markoff are still at sdchess.ru and never was removed.Graham Banks wrote:Christopher Conkie has a copy of the photo with Sergei Markoff and Yuri Osipov together.
He was going to post it for us at some stage.
For some reason, the photo was originally available for everybody to view, but has since been removed.
See http://sdchess.ru/march_oct_07.htm (May 9 news).
Go get him Rolf....
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Uri Blass
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Re: ethical dilemma
How can he show you when rybka source code is not public?Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
You can only get circumstantal evidence based on evaluations
and I think that the circumstantal evidence is enough.
Same evaluation and same type of bugs is clearly enough.
After looking at the code I can say that
All the material table of 2*3*3*3*3*3*3*9*9 is unique to rybka based on rybka's evaluation(and he could not use fruit to get it) so only rybka gives KN(white) vs kbbb(black) the same bonus as KNN(white) vs k(black).
In both cases black gets the bonus so rybka overevaluate black's advantage in positions of KN vs kbbb when she does not do the same for KBBB vs kn
Uri
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Rolf
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Re: ethical dilemma
Graham Banks wrote:Christopher Conkie has a copy of the photo with Sergei Markoff and Yuri Osipov together.Rolf wrote:Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
First SHOW me O!
He was going to post it for us at some stage.
For some reason, the photo was originally available for everybody to view, but has since been removed.
Graham thanks but I am no spiritual healer through photomeditation. For me O is a figure, individual or a whole group, a political idea. I want address and security number. Please, I want O alive. <cough>
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Dr.Wael Deeb
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Re: ethical dilemma
Rolf wrote:Graham Banks wrote:Christopher Conkie has a copy of the photo with Sergei Markoff and Yuri Osipov together.Rolf wrote:Andrej Sidorov wrote:Same play or eval in some positions never was evidence and never will. Osipov openly explained that he made Strelka translating Fruit algorythm to bitboards.
WHAT PART OF RYBKA CODE IS IN STRELKA? SHOW ME PLEASE!
First SHOW me O!
He was going to post it for us at some stage.
For some reason, the photo was originally available for everybody to view, but has since been removed.
Graham thanks but I am no spiritual healer through photomeditation. For me O is a figure, individual or a whole group, a political idea. I want address and security number. Please, I want O alive. <cough>
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
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Andrej Sidorov
Re: ethical dilemma
etc.Uri Blass wrote:All the material table of 2*3*3*3*3*3*3*9*9 is unique to rybka
So you can show me identical parts of code or not?