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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..

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[d]4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp2n1p/2P1pQp1/8/1q1P2P1/1B2RPB1/6K1 b - -
Analysis from C:\q\epd\sub\wbm.epd
6/12/2009 2:05:07 PM Level: 360 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Rybka 3

1)
Avoid move:
Best move (Rybka 3): Qb3-d1
Not found in: 06:00
2 00:00 646 661.504 -2.74 Nf6d5
3 00:00 1.521 1.557.504 -2.83 Nf6d5
4 00:00 2.381 143.420 -2.87 Nf6d5
5 00:00 5.992 127.829 -2.91 Nf6d5 Qf5e4
6 00:00 11.625 186.000 -2.86 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7
7 00:00 30.765 182.100 -3.61 Nf6d5 Bb2xe5 Re8xe5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7
7 00:00 39.216 182.532 -3.38 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1
8 00:00 128.378 186.997 -3.88 Nf6g8 Qf5e4
9 00:01 239.291 198.568 -3.81 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1
10 00:04 772.066 196.372 -4.75 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Bb2xe5
11 00:05 916.615 191.553 -4.75 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Bb2xe5
12+ 00:06 1.168.761 194.666 -4.55 Qb3d1+
12+ 00:07 1.355.238 203.514 -4.35 Qb3d1+
12+ 00:12 2.459.801 206.970 -3.95 Nf6d5
12 00:12 2.571.493 207.600 -4.21 Nf6d5 Bb2xe5 Rf8xf5
13 01:26 20.288.581 240.037 -5.52 Nf6d5 Bb2xe5
13 01:43 23.994.483 237.339 -5.20 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1
14 03:29 47.203.237 230.829 -5.92 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1
6/12/2009 2:11:17 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:05:59, Rated time: 06:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/12/2009 2:11:18 PM, Total time: 12:06:11 AM
Rated time: 06:00 = 360 Seconds

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Analysis from C:\q\epd\sub\wbm.epd
6/12/2009 2:05:07 PM Level: 360 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Naum

1)
Avoid move:
Best move (Naum): Nf6-d5
Not found in: 06:00
2/8 00:00 560 560.000 -3.35 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1
3/10 00:00 906 906.000 -2.79 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5
4/12 00:00 1.558 779.000 -2.75 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5g6
5/12 00:00 1.964 491.000 -2.75 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Re8e7
6/16 00:00 3.638 606.333 -2.75 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Re8e7 Qg6xc6
7/19 00:00 6.801 755.666 -2.79 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Re8e7 Rb7xe7 Nd5xe7
8/19 00:00 12.530 963.846 -2.97 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Kh8g8 d3d4
9/25 00:00 139.588 2.114.969 -3.11 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Kg1h2 Re8e6 Bg2h3
10/29 00:00 226.021 2.260.210 -3.10 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6e8 Rb7a7 Kh8g8 Bh3f5 Re8e7 Bf5h7+
11/28 00:00 431.339 2.464.794 -3.25 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6e8 Bh3g4 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Kh8g8 Qe4g6 Re8e7
12/31 00:00 1.561.164 2.833.328 -3.38 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6e8 Kg1g2 Qb3b5 Qe4c4 Qb5xc4 d3xc4 Nd5b4 Bh3d7
13/37 00:01 3.889.760 3.043.630 -3.36 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Nd5f6 Qe4g6 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 Re8e6 Kh2g2 g5g4 Bf3xg4 Nf6xg4
14/43 00:02 6.681.493 3.100.460 -3.49 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 Nd5f6 Qe4f5 g5g4 Bf3xg4 Nf6xg4+ Qf5xg4 Re8f8 Qg4e4
15/48 00:08 26.862.924 3.220.201 -3.58 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 d3d4 Re8e6 Bf1h3 Nd5f4 Bh3xe6 Nf4xe6 Rb7e7 g5g4 Re7xg7 Ne6xg7
16/45 00:12 40.679.234 3.212.194 -3.70 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6e8 Kg1g2 Qb3b5 Qe4c4 Kh8g8 Rb7a7 Qb5xc4 d3xc4 Nd5b4 b6b7 Nb4d3 Bh3d7
17/45 00:24 78.118.762 3.278.581 -3.76 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 d3d4 Re8e7 Rb7xe7 Nd5xe7 d4xe5 Rf8d8 Qe4c2 Qb3xc2 Re2xc2 Ne7g6 Rc2e2 Kh8g8
18/57 03:04 632.561.648 3.443.393 -4.49 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3b5 Qe4c4 Qb5xc4 d3xc4 Nd5b4 Bb2a3 Nb4d3 Bg2xc6 Re8c8 Bc6d5 Nd3xc5 Rb7c7 Rc8xc7 b6xc7 Rf8c8 Ba3xc5
18/57 03:44 766.635.560 3.422.617 -4.47 Nf6g8 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Qe4c4 Qb3xc4 d3xc4 Rf8d8 Rb7c7 Re6e7 Rc7xc6 e5e4 Bb2xg7+ Kh8xg7 Rc6d6 Rd8b8 Re2xe4 Kg7f7 Re4xe7+
19/55 05:14 1.076.627.857 3.427.463 -4.49 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3b5 Qe4c4 Qb5xc4 d3xc4 Nd5b4 Bb2a3 Nb4d3 Bg2xc6 Re8c8 Bc6d5 Nd3xc5 Rb7c7 Rc8xc7 b6xc7 Rf8c8 Ba3xc5
6/12/2009 2:17:35 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:05:59, Rated time: 06:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/12/2009 2:17:35 PM, Total time: 12:12:28 AM
Rated time: 06:00 = 360 Seconds

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Analysis from C:\q\epd\sub\wbm.epd
6/12/2009 2:05:07 PM Level: 360 Seconds
Analyzing engine: DeepSjeng

1)
Avoid move:
Best move (DeepSjeng): Nf6-d5
Not found in: 06:00
3/13 00:00 6.566 0 -2.42 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Rb7f7 Rf8xf7 Qf5xf7
3/13+ 00:00 7.584 0 -2.12 Nf6d5
3/13 00:00 9.150 0 -1.91 Nf6d5 Rb7f7 Nd5xb6 Rf7xf8+ Re8xf8
4/13- 00:00 10.719 0 -2.21 Nf6d5
4/13 00:00 12.027 0 -2.42 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Re8e7 Rb7xe7 Nd5xe7
4/17 00:00 19.895 0 -2.08 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Qg6e6 Ne7d5
5/17 00:00 21.868 0 -2.08 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Qg6e6 Ne7d5
6/17- 00:00 28.883 0 -2.38 Nf6d5
6/17 00:00 33.591 0 -2.37 Nf6d5 Qf5d7 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Rb7a7 Kh8h7 Bb2xe5
7/20 00:00 58.761 0 -2.19 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Qg6d6 Rf8f6 Qd6xe5
8/21- 00:00 142.192 0 -2.49 Nf6d5
8/30 00:00 281.214 0 -2.49 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Qg6h5 Kh8h7 Rb7a7 Rf8xf2 Kg1xf2 Re8f8+ Kf2g2 Qd1xf1+ Kg2h2
8/30 00:00 313.603 0 -2.49 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nd5e7 Qg6h5 Kh8h7 Rb7a7 Rf8xf2 Kg1xf2 Re8f8+ Kf2g2 Qd1xf1+ Kg2h2
9/30 00:00 550.273 0 -2.64 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Nf5e7 Bh3d7 Re8a8 Bb2xe5
10/33 00:00 1.118.993 0 -2.72 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7a7 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Re8e6 d3d4 h6h5 d4xe5
11/33 00:01 2.291.842 0 -2.91 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Ne7f5 Rb7c7 h6h5 Rc7xc6 Kh8h7 Rc6c7 Kh7h8 Re2e1 Qd1d2 Qe4e2
12/36 00:02 4.878.210 4.028.318 -3.05 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3e6 d3d4 Ne7d5 d4xe5 h6h5 Rb7a7 Rf8f5 Re2e1 Re8f8 f2f4 g5xf4
13/38- 00:03 10.076.382 4.130.346 -3.35 Nf6d5
13/45 00:04 16.854.391 4.104.639 -3.42 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Ne7f5 Rb7c7 h6h5 Rc7xc6 Kh8h7 Rc6c7 Kh7h8 Rc7a7 Kh8g8 c5c6
13/45 00:05 18.383.110 4.081.472 -3.42 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Ne7f5 Rb7c7 h6h5 Rc7xc6 Kh8h7 Rc6c7 Kh7h8 Rc7a7 Kh8g8 c5c6
14/46- 00:08 29.381.400 4.052.286 -3.72 Nf6d5
14/46 00:11 43.935.538 4.026.436 -3.68 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Bh3f5 Re8f8 g3g4 Rf8d8 Kh2g3 Rd8f8 Qg2h1 Qc5c2
15/46 00:14 57.844.408 4.039.651 -3.68 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Bh3f5 Re8f8 g3g4 Rf8d8 Kh2g3 Rd8f8 Qg2h1 Qc5c2
16/52- 00:26 104.739.042 4.096.984 -3.98 Nf6d5
16/53 00:58 238.428.160 4.137.720 -4.82 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Qg2e2 Qc5d6 Rb7f7 Qd6g6 Rf7a7 Qg6f6 b6b7 Re8b8 Ra7a8 Qf6f8 Ra8xb8 Qf8xb8 Qe2h5 Kh8h7 Qh5f7
16/53 01:04 265.234.459 4.138.644 -4.82 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Qg2e2 Qc5d6 Rb7f7 Qd6g6 Rf7a7 Qg6f6 b6b7 Re8b8 Ra7a8 Qf6f8 Ra8xb8 Qf8xb8 Qe2h5 Kh8h7 Qh5f7
17/59- 01:58 489.624.541 4.150.952 -5.12 Nf6d5
17/59 03:08 777.197.962 4.144.954 -5.23 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Qg2e2 Qc5d6 Rb7f7 Qd6g6 Rf7a7 Qg6d6 b6b7 Re8b8 Qe2g4 Qd6d8 Qg4e6 Qd8f8 Bb2xe5 Bg7xe5 Qe6xe5+
17/59 03:38 905.743.265 4.161.752 -5.23 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3d1+ Kg1g2 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Qd1f1+ Kg2h2 Rf8f2+ Re2xf2 Qf1xf2+ Qe4g2 Qf2xc5 Qg2e2 Qc5d6 Rb7f7 Qd6g6 Rf7a7 Qg6d6 b6b7 Re8b8 Qe2g4 Qd6d8 Qg4e6 Qd8f8 Bb2xe5 Bg7xe5 Qe6xe5+
18/61 05:03 1.264.686.891 4.170.631 -5.22 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7f5 Bg2h3 Qb3e6 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Qe4xe5+ Qe6xe5 Re2xe5 Re8xe5 Bb2xe5+ Kg7g6 b6b7 h6h5 Bh3g2 Nf5e7 b7b8Q Rf8xb8 Be5xb8 Kg6f6 Bb8d6 h5h4 g3xh4 g5xh4 Bd6xe7+
6/12/2009 2:24:11 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:00, Rated time: 06:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/12/2009 2:24:11 PM, Total time: 12:19:04 AM
Rated time: 06:00 = 360 Seconds

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Analysis from C:\q\epd\sub\wbm.epd
6/12/2009 2:05:07 PM Level: 360 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Zappa

1)
Avoid move:
Best move (Zappa): Qb3-d1
Not found in: 06:00
9/31 00:00 482.548 1.723.386 -2.14 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6g8 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Qe4c4 Re6e7 Rb7xe7 Ng8xe7 Bb2xe5 Bg7xe5 Re2xe5
9/38 00:00 734.072 1.812.523 -2.14 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6g8 Qf5e4 Re8e6 Qe4c4 Re6e7 Rb7xe7 Ng8xe7 Bb2xe5 Bg7xe5 Re2xe5
10/38 00:01 1.641.695 1.987.524 -2.69 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Rb7f7 Rf8xf7 Qf5xf7 Re8f8 Qf7e6 Nd5b4 Bb2xe5 Bg7xe5 Qe6xe5+ Kh8g8 b6b7
10/38 00:01 1.999.508 2.036.159 -2.68 Nf6d5
10/40 00:01 2.941.742 2.095.258 -2.32 Nf6d5 Qf5h3 Qb3xd3 Bb2xe5 Re8xe5 Re2xe5 Qd3b1+ Kg1h2 Bg7f6 Qh3xh6+ Kh8g8
10/40 00:02 3.467.840 2.059.287 -2.32 Nf6d5 Qf5h3 Qb3xd3 Bb2xe5 Re8xe5 Re2xe5 Qd3b1+ Kg1h2 Bg7f6 Qh3xh6+ Kh8g8
11/41 00:02 5.403.156 2.112.258 -2.29 Nf6d5 Qf5h3 Nd5c3 Bb2xc3 Qb3xc3 Qh3d7 Qc3a1+ Kg1h2 e5e4 d3xe4 Qa1f6 Rb7a7 Re8a8 Ra7xa8 Rf8xa8 e4e5
11/41 00:03 5.888.693 2.097.113 -2.29 Nf6d5 Qf5h3 Nd5c3 Bb2xc3 Qb3xc3 Qh3d7 Qc3a1+ Kg1h2 e5e4 d3xe4 Qa1f6 Rb7a7 Re8a8 Ra7xa8 Rf8xa8 e4e5
12/44 00:05 10.581.020 2.181.204 -2.34 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Re2e1 Re8e6 Be5xf6+ Re6xf6
12/44 00:05 12.001.754 2.185.714 -2.34 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Re2e1 Re8e6 Be5xf6+ Re6xf6
13/44 00:06 13.872.887 2.206.950 -2.39 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Kg1h2 Kg7g8 Qe4c4 Qb3d1 Bg2xd5+ c6xd5 Qc4xd5+ Kg8f8 Be5xf6 Re8xe2
13/44 00:08 17.284.674 2.229.418 -2.39 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Kg1h2 Kg7g8 Qe4c4 Qb3d1 Bg2xd5+ c6xd5 Qc4xd5+ Kg8f8 Be5xf6 Re8xe2
14/48 00:11 24.346.368 2.252.208 -2.53 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Qe4f5 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Re8xe5 Qf5xe5 Qd1b1 Re2b2
14/48 00:20 33.439.113 1.702.602 -2.53 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Rf8f6 Qe4f5 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Re8xe5 Qf5xe5 Qd1b1 Re2b2
15/50 01:19 80.032.268 1.015.496 -2.83 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Ne7f5 Bg2f3 Qd1f1 Rb7a7 Qf1d1 Qe4xc6 Qd1xd3 Ra7d7 Re8e7 Rd7xd3 Nf5d4
15/50 01:57 110.367.645 939.427 -2.83 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Ne7f5 Bg2f3 Qd1f1 Rb7a7 Qf1d1 Qe4xc6 Qd1xd3 Ra7d7 Re8e7 Rd7xd3 Nf5d4
16/52 03:16 172.354.927 881.187 -3.72 Nf6d5 Qf5g6 Nd5e7 Qg6e4 Ne7d5 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Be5xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qe4xc6+ Re8e6 Re2xe6+ Qb3xe6 Qc6xe6+ Kf6xe6 d3d4 Rf8e8 Bg2e4 h6h5 f2f3 Re8d8 d4d5+ Ke6e5 d5d6 h5h4
16/52 04:09 215.653.019 865.777 -3.71 Qb3d1+
6/12/2009 2:30:19 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:00, Rated time: 06:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/12/2009 2:30:20 PM, Total time: 12:25:13 AM
Rated time: 06:00 = 360 Seconds

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Analysis from C:\q\epd\sub\wbm.epd
6/12/2009 2:05:07 PM Level: 360 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Glaurung22_x64_ja

1)
Avoid move:
Best move (Glaurung22_x64_ja): Nf6-d5
Not found in: 06:00
2 00:00 511 2.732 -4.33 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5
2 00:00 957 5.117 -4.21 Nf6h5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Re2e1
3 00:00 1.510 8.031 -4.21 Nf6h5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Re2e1
4 00:00 2.547 13.476 -4.05 Nf6h5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Re8e6
4 00:00 3.259 17.152 -3.72 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 h6h5
5 00:00 4.865 25.471 -3.98 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Re8e6 d3d4
6 00:00 9.883 50.943 -4.19 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Rf8g8 Qe4g6 Nd5e7
7 00:00 29.541 145.522 -4.47 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Nf6d5 Qf5d7 Nd5e7 d3d4 Kh8h7 d4xe5
7 00:00 43.713 210.158 -4.25 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Kh8g8 Rb7a7 Re8a8 Ra7xg7+ Kg8xg7 Qe4xe5+ Nd5f6 Bg2xc6
8 00:00 64.437 298.319 -4.27 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Kh8g8 Rb7a7 Qd1b3 Bg2h3 h6h5
9 00:00 123.544 521.282 -4.09 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6f6 f2f3 Rf6xf3 Bb2xe5
10 00:00 348.877 1.104.041 -4.47 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 Nd5c3 Bb2xc3 Qb3xc3 Qe4xc6 Qc3xd3 Rb7d7 Qd3b1+ Kg1g2
11 00:00 769.235 1.713.218 -4.09 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Nd5f6 Qe4g6 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 g5g4 Bf3xg4 Nf6xg4+ Qg6xg4 Qd1xd3
12 00:00 1.132.221 2.043.720 -4.25 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Nd5f6 Qe4g6 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 g5g4 Bf3xg4 Nf6xg4+ Qg6xg4 Qd1xd3 Rb7d7
13 00:00 2.579.179 2.700.710 -4.49 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Kg1h2 Nd5f6 Qe4g6 Rf8g8 Bg2f3 g5g4 Bf3xg4 Nf6xg4+ Qg6xg4 Qd1xd3 Rb7d7 Qd3b3
14 00:02 6.656.990 3.225.285 -4.78 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 d3d4 Re8e6 Rb7a7 h6h5 d4xe5 Nd5c3 Bb2xc3 Qb3xc3 Qe4h1 Qc3f3 Qh1xf3 Rf8xf3
15 00:03 13.283.839 3.483.828 -5.13 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b1 Rb7a7 Qb1d1 d3d4 Kh8g8 d4xe5 Re8e7 Ra7xe7 Nd5xe7 Re2e1 Qd1d2 Qe4e2 Qd2d5
16 00:06 24.612.143 3.632.252 -5.39 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b1 Rb7a7 Qb1d1 d3d4 Kh8g8 d4xe5 Re8e7 Ra7xe7 Nd5xe7 Re2e1 Qd1d2 Bb2d4 Ne7d5 Bf1d3
17 00:13 49.302.730 3.777.697 -5.64 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Re8e6 Bb2xe5 Re6xe5 Qe4g6 Nd5e7 Rb7xe7 Re5xe7 Re2xe7 Qd1a1 Re7e8 Qa1b2 Re8xf8+ Bg7xf8 Qg6xc6 Kh8g8 Qc6c7 Bf8g7 Kg1g2
18 00:22 87.484.881 3.816.134 -5.19 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Qe4xc6 Qb3f7 b6b7 Re8xe5 Re2xe5 Nf6e4 f2f3 Ne4xg3 Bf1h3 Rf8b8 Kg1h2 Rb8xb7 Kh2xg3
19 00:37 146.014.305 3.887.494 -5.82 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Qe4xc6 Re8e6 Qc6e4 Re6e8 Bf1h3 Qb3f7 c5c6 Kg7g8 Qe4f5 Nf6d5 Qf5xf7+ Kg8xf7 b6b7 Nd5c7 Bh3c8
20 01:10 279.359.171 3.968.170 -5.90 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Qe4xc6 Re8e6 Qc6e4 Re6e8 Bf1g2 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6xe5 Qe4xe5 Qb3xd3 Bh3f5 Qd3d5 f2f4 Qd5f7
21 02:11 531.536.320 4.057.250 -6.03 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Qe4xc6 Re8e6 Qc6e4 Re6e8 Bf1g2 Re8e6 Bg2h3 Re6xe5 Qe4xe5 Qb3xd3 Bh3e6 Rf8e8 Re2e1 Qd3b5 Qe5f5
22 05:05 1.233.317.677 4.034.075 -6.27 Nf6d5 Qf5e4 Qb3d1+ Bg2f1 Qd1b3 Rb7xg7 Kh8xg7 Bb2xe5+ Nd5f6 Qe4xc6 Qb3f7 b6b7 Re8xe5 Re2xe5 Nf6e4 f2f3 Ne4xg3 Bf1h3 Rf8b8 Bh3c8 Ng3h5 d3d4 Nh5f4 Re5e8 Nf4d5 Kg1f2
6/12/2009 2:36:28 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:00, Rated time: 06:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/12/2009 2:36:29 PM, Total time: 12:31:22 AM
Rated time: 06:00 = 360 Seconds
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..

Post by bob »

PerroMaster wrote:What happens is that after black 43...Dd1, white gets an even greater advantage that after 43... Qxc5, so 43...Dd1 is an even more loosing move for black (black loses faster).
After black 43...Dd1, black do not get a Draw, it only loses faster.
OK, but this means that the _previous_ time that black played Qd1, white could not find the "faster win". Because the position would be the same both times. So somebody doesn't know what they are doing in this game. It sounds like "somebody" is "white"....

So if white wins faster after Qd1 than after Qxc5, why didn't it play the better move the first time black played Qd1? These kinds of positions are going to cause confusion to programs, because one side apparently played a worse move the first time, which makes no sense to me.

After analyzing, I agree that which is much better if black plays Qd1 than if black plays Qxc5. But why didn't white find this the _first_ time around? If you back up to the first time black played Qd1, Crafty will not play that move at all. But you forced it to when you asked it to analyze the position at move 43, since Qd1 had already been played once. This simply screws up the repetition code since Crafty considers that if you would repeat it the second time, then you will also repeat it the third time.

The game is simply broken when white doesn't play correctly the _first_ time that black played Qd1.
PerroMaster

Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..

Post by PerroMaster »

Well Mr. Hyatt ..remember this two players are (jazz) human :).. it is a real tournament game between two good player (the white here is a FIDE Gran Master).
PerroMaster

Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..

Post by PerroMaster »

I believe I swallowed some S..sorry.

“Well Mr. Hyatt ..remember this two players are (jazz) humans :).. it is a real tournament game between two good players (the white here is a FIDE Gran Master).”


It is clear that Crafty 23 is better that the previus versions, an there is no problem in a normal game -it seems to happens solely when reading from a file-. Only very few engines does not behaves this way now.

I rater prefer Crafty for doing the complete analysis on Fritz, since y is unique in delivery a lot of tactical situations that other engines don't shows. (I mean, moves that are interesting for amateurs or normal club players).