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Graham Banks
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Re: Move 29..

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Christopher Conkie wrote: Another crazy horse?

Funny. I take it you want to lose......

No - I'd even be disappointed with a draw. :wink:

Please explain how swapping pieces wins when we have less material than our opponent?

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing?

How does that do "something"?

I prefer to neutralise the threats on the kingside and stay in the game that way.
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Just my opinion, but it counts just like every other voter's does.


We get to a position where it is rambling aimlessly and you give it an advantage again. Smart......
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Re: Move 29..

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Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: Another crazy horse?

Funny. I take it you want to lose......

No - I'd even be disappointed with a draw. :wink:

Please explain how swapping pieces wins when we have less material than our opponent?

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing?

How does that do "something"?

I prefer to neutralise the threats on the kingside and stay in the game that way.
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Just my opinion, but it counts just like every other voter's does.


We get to a position where it is rambling aimlessly and you give it an advantage again. Smart......
What threat?

I'll say it again........

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing for one of ours that is doing something and that we need?

:shock:
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Well I don't like Marmite but that's not a reason......

How? Explain how?
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Re: Move 29..

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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: Another crazy horse?

Funny. I take it you want to lose......

No - I'd even be disappointed with a draw. :wink:

Please explain how swapping pieces wins when we have less material than our opponent?

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing?

How does that do "something"?

I prefer to neutralise the threats on the kingside and stay in the game that way.
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Just my opinion, but it counts just like every other voter's does.


We get to a position where it is rambling aimlessly and you give it an advantage again. Smart......
What threat?

I'll say it again........

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing for one of ours that is doing something and that we need?

:shock:
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Well I don't like Marmite but that's not a reason......

How? Explain how?
Rf6 h4 Qa5
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Re: Move 29..

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Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: Another crazy horse?

Funny. I take it you want to lose......

No - I'd even be disappointed with a draw. :wink:

Please explain how swapping pieces wins when we have less material than our opponent?

Why do we need to swap off a piece that our opponent has that is doing nothing?

How does that do "something"?

I prefer to neutralise the threats on the kingside and stay in the game that way.
The bishop on h6 causes Bxg6 to be a continuing possibility at an opportune moment for White. As I stated, I don't like the line 29.....Rf6; 30.h4, Ra5; 31.Bg5.
Just my opinion, but it counts just like every other voter's does.


We get to a position where it is rambling aimlessly and you give it an advantage again. Smart......
Graham after Rf6 h4 Ra5 you are missing the threat c5 Bxc5 b4

h4 can probably only be answered by Qa5 as the queen also defends the b4 square.

Anyway I just checked a couple of engines and generally they prefer retreating the bishop leading to more favorable positions for black after Rf6. So that I would now after some thought rather prefer keeping our dark colored bishop on the board and hope that white actually plays a typical computer move and doesn't follow some plan like h4.

So I want to change my vote to Rf6

I hope that doesn't make the vote even more complex now.
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Re: Move 29..

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Edmund wrote: Graham after Rf6 h4 Ra5 you are missing the threat c5 Bxc5 b4

h4 can probably only be answered by Qa5 as the queen also defends the b4 square.
One obviously wouldn't reply to c5 with Bxc5. I was only responding to whoever suggested Ra5 as the response.
I'll stick with 29......Bf8 because I'm still not comfortable with the 29......Rf6; 30.h4 line.
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Re: Move 29..

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Edmund wrote:
So I want to change my vote to Rf6

I hope that doesn't make the vote even more complex now.
i think i have a handle on it
your vote change now makes Rf6 the leader 6-5 with 1.5 Hours to TC

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Re: Move 29..

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:Rf7 to which i guess we would get Ra1 or h4.
Rf7, I guess. Miguel
After Rf7 what do you think of c5?
Bb5 Re5.
Qb7 f3.
Rb8 h4 maybe
Rf6
Qd5 Rf7
c5 Qa5 and the pawn in c5 is in trouble.

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Re: Move 29..

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Well no changes to the voting for the past 1.5 hours so the move is 29..Rf6

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 951#279951

i will try to post the R30's 30th move by

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Re: Move 29..

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29...Rf6
30.Qd4 Rf7
31. c5 Qa5
32. Re5 Qa2 maybe?
What you think of this?
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Re: Move 29..

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tano-urayoan wrote:29...Rf6
30.Qd4 Rf7
31. c5 Qa5
32. Re5 Qa2 maybe?
What you think of this?
The c5 plan is bad for White.
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