Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

[Uri Blass]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

I think that in order to collect evidence it is not enough to watch ivanov and fide should be allowed to search in every game in order to find the evidence.

If significant number of people suspect that I am cheating in OTB games then I am certainly going to allow other people to search me in every game to show that I am innocent and can get a good performance also in these conditions.

The fact that ivanov does not do it is another reason for me to believe that he is quilty.

[Henk]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

The technology exists, it's you who is being myopic! The FIDE is a laughing stock!

It's not an implant, it's simply google glass technology, a small thin lens with circuitry.

I never said that is how he's doing it but it is plausible and you would never detect it unless you knew what you are looking for!

The evidence is plentiful, the moves leave fingerprints and it's easy to see if someone is viewing the board or just moving the pieces!

http://rj3sp.blogspot.ca/2011/11/bionic ... otype.html

The contact lens has been in the works for years!

OK, if the bionic eye technology is real. Answer some question about it, not google glasses that everyone would be able to see.

Where can you buy this bionic eye or lens device?

How much does it cost this bionic eye or lens device?

Is it able to scan a chess board, then run Houdini 3, and display the counter move in the bionic eye or lens device?

Does it have a radio or internet capability, and if so what is the range, frequency, and power source, and power of transmission, of the bionic eye or lens device, and what antenna technology is used that could be put into a human eye?

What is the pixel density of the bionic eye, or lens device?

what is the processor type and speed that runs the bionic eye, or lens device?

Will you buy me one it sounds cool.

In the seventies you could get a bionic eye, two bionic legs and one bionic arm for less than 6 million dollars. They demonstrated it many times on TV by a person a former astronaut. Yes this is very serious stuff (not)

[mwyoung]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

I think that in order to collect evidence it is not enough to watch ivanov and fide should be allowed to search in every game in order to find the evidence.

If significant number of people suspect that I am cheating in OTB games then I am certainly going to allow other people to search me in every game to show that I am innocent and can get a good performance also in these conditions.

The fact that ivanov does not do it is another reason for me to believe that he is quilty.

You my think that is a reason, but it shows us nothing. It is irrelevant. Fide can not search Ivanov without consent. The Laws in his country do not allow such a search without cause and notice.

I would not consent to a search, and have been stopped in the US. And ask to by a officer for permission to search my car. I declined, he had a choice at that point. Bring in dogs to sniff my car to have cause for a search, or let me go on my way. I was let go, and I was guilty of nothing, just a random stop on a known drug highway.

I am not a fan of people having to prove their innocents, and giving up any of their rights, to placate a mob mentality.

If you make a charge then prove it. At this point only the mob has made any charge against Ivanov, not Fide.

When Fide makes the charge of cheating against Ivanov, they will have some proof to back up their claim.

[mwyoung]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

The technology exists, it's you who is being myopic! The FIDE is a laughing stock!

It's not an implant, it's simply google glass technology, a small thin lens with circuitry.

I never said that is how he's doing it but it is plausible and you would never detect it unless you knew what you are looking for!

The evidence is plentiful, the moves leave fingerprints and it's easy to see if someone is viewing the board or just moving the pieces!

http://rj3sp.blogspot.ca/2011/11/bionic ... otype.html

The contact lens has been in the works for years!

OK, if the bionic eye technology is real. Answer some question about it, not google glasses that everyone would be able to see.

Where can you buy this bionic eye or lens device?

How much does it cost this bionic eye or lens device?

Is it able to scan a chess board, then run Houdini 3, and display the counter move in the bionic eye or lens device?

Does it have a radio or internet capability, and if so what is the range, frequency, and power source, and power of transmission, of the bionic eye or lens device, and what antenna technology is used that could be put into a human eye?

What is the pixel density of the bionic eye, or lens device?

what is the processor type and speed that runs the bionic eye, or lens device?

Will you buy me one it sounds cool.

In the seventies you could get a bionic eye, two bionic legs and one bionic arm for less than 6 million dollars. They demonstrated it many times on TV by a person a former astronaut. Yes this is very serious stuff (not)

I know I watch every week as a kid. I was not a big fan of the Bionic woman, but as I got older Jaime Sommers became more interesting.

[Terry McCracken]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

The technology exists, it's you who is being myopic! The FIDE is a laughing stock!

It's not an implant, it's simply google glass technology, a small thin lens with circuitry.

I never said that is how he's doing it but it is plausible and you would never detect it unless you knew what you are looking for!

The evidence is plentiful, the moves leave fingerprints and it's easy to see if someone is viewing the board or just moving the pieces!

http://rj3sp.blogspot.ca/2011/11/bionic ... otype.html

The contact lens has been in the works for years!

OK, if the bionic eye technology is real. Answer some question about it, not google glasses that everyone would be able to see.

Where can you buy this bionic eye or lens device?

How much does it cost this bionic eye or lens device?

Is it able to scan a chess board, then run Houdini 3, and display the counter move in the bionic eye or lens device?

Does it have a radio or internet capability, and if so what is the range, frequency, and power source, and power of transmission, of the bionic eye or lens device, and what antenna technology is used that could be put into a human eye?

What is the pixel density of the bionic eye, or lens device?

what is the processor type and speed that runs the bionic eye, or lens device?

Will you buy me one it sounds cool.

In the seventies you could get a bionic eye, two bionic legs and one bionic arm for less than 6 million dollars. They demonstrated it many times on TV by a person a former astronaut. Yes this is very serious stuff (not)

I know I watch every week as a kid. I was not a big fan of the Bionic woman, but as I got older Jaime Sommers became more interesting.

In the seventies it was pure fiction but that was 40 years ago!

I haven't all the details but it does exist. You will see this tech and much more in the years to come. I could care less if you think it is all a joke.

I think all you want to do is argue and the truth is the last thing you're interested in.

[Don]

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

He has a heavy brain which he was using?

The "eye" thing is just a theory but it was said in the video that he would not look at his opponent nor the camera's, the implication being that he did not want to be studied too closely and so avoided eye contact at all costs. And he would not even get up to walk around.

I know that if I were keeping my head down, constantly I probably would at some point want to support it. So there are couple of things that could be done to determine if this is just an anomaly and personal style of his or unusual behavior.

First, I would like to establish that this is really true - or is it just a causal but incorrect observation? Did he really never look up? Did he really never go to the bathroom or is this just a supposition?

If that is established then it would be good to determine if that is how he has always behaved or is it a sudden change of habit for him? How difficult would that be to establish? Maybe that is how he has always been when playing chess? We could take this off the table with very little work.

The other thing one can do is to make contact with him immediately after the game to see if he will look you in the eye. You could even do that during the game but it would be considered rude to tap him on the shoulder - especially if it were his turn to move. So a group of people could be ready immediately after the game to engage him in conversation, congratulate him, ask about the game, etc.. The primary motivation would be to get a good look at time.

I don't really buy the bionic eye thing but it is remotely possible. It just doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to eliminate it from consideration (or keep it on the table) with just a little work instead of speculating about it.

[jefk]

[quote="Uri Blass"]
If significant number of people suspect that I am cheating in OTB games then I am certainly going to allow other people to search me in every game to show that I am innocent and can get a good performance also in these conditions.
The fact that ivanov does not do it is another reason for me to believe that he is quilty.[/quote]

well it probably will be resolved in near future by the recent anti-cheating
committee of the Fide:
http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... ittee.html
And methodes which they can consider (and with which i agree)
are suggested by a GM this open letter:
http://www.chessprofessionals.org/conte ... v-cheating

in the case of Ivanov they (arbiters) should look better for a hidden
micro camera in one of the buttons of his shirt imho

jef

[Uri Blass]

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.

They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.

Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.

This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.

This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.

I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.

This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

I think that in order to collect evidence it is not enough to watch ivanov and fide should be allowed to search in every game in order to find the evidence.

If significant number of people suspect that I am cheating in OTB games then I am certainly going to allow other people to search me in every game to show that I am innocent and can get a good performance also in these conditions.

The fact that ivanov does not do it is another reason for me to believe that he is quilty.

You my think that is a reason, but it shows us nothing. It is irrelevant. Fide can not search Ivanov without consent. The Laws in his country do not allow such a search without cause and notice.

I would not consent to a search, and have been stopped in the US. And ask to by a officer for permission to search my car. I declined, he had a choice at that point. Bring in dogs to sniff my car to have cause for a search, or let me go on my way. I was let go, and I was guilty of nothing, just a random stop on a known drug highway.

I am not a fan of people having to prove their innocents, and giving up any of their rights, to placate a mob mentality.

If you make a charge then prove it. At this point only the mob has made any charge against Ivanov, not Fide.

When Fide makes the charge of cheating against Ivanov, they will have some proof to back up their claim.

I think that there is a difference between the case that you describe and a case when many chess players suspect that you are cheating that is borislav ivanov's case.

If many people think that I am quilty of something then I prefer to protect
my name by proving that I am not quilty.

There are not many people who thought that you are quilty in
the case that the officer asked to search your car so I do not think that the fact that you did not give your consent to search is an evidence that you are quilty.

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it is possible to shorten a quote, and it is not forbidden, afaik

The abuse of the quote function is a general habit on this forum. It makes almost any longer discussion totally, but really totally unreadable. Please, use some sense, people ...

[Don]

I think that there is a difference between the case that you describe and a case when many chess players suspect that you are cheating that is borislav ivanov's case.

If many people think that I am quilty of something then I prefer to protect
my name by proving that I am not quilty.

There are not many people who thought that you are quilty in
the case that the officer asked to search your car so I do not think that the fact that you did not give your consent to search is an evidence that you are quilty.

I personally am thankful that there are means in place to protect our rights but I also am a strong believer in balance. Some people are so sensitive and touchy that if you look at them cross-eyed the cry about their rights being violated. And what is pretty clear is that protection will always require a certain amount of inconvenience. So if you become the victim of a crime almost anyone wants a little justice for themselves or their family but they don't want to be inconvenienced otherwise. The random stops were done legally and for a reason - and is NOT an abuse of power but is intended to be a protection. If all you have to do is say no, I don't see what the problem is.

Now if someone gets pulled over for speeding I have been told by a police that a high percentage of people cry abuse and get real nasty and they are trained to be courteous and kind to make it as least unpleasant as possible. But without this there would be MANY more traffic deaths.

In Ivanov's case there is far more than the needed evidence for just cause - in fact it's clear cut. But to pretend that nothing is wrong and there is no evidence whatsoever as Mark implied is nuts. And it's even more nuts to have him refer to Ivanov's victims as a criminal mob for trying to protect themselves, at great inconvenience to themselves. He is saying that the majority of players over 2400 are criminals with a mob mentality and that Ivanov is the victim.

FIDE seems to be moving slowly - but their may be a method to their madness. We should reserve judgment on that. My first instinct here is that they are paid bureaucrats with less concern over the membership of FIDE who they represent than their own positions, but it does occur to me that as bureaucrats it is to be expected that they move slow like molasses. I can only assume there is a vigorous discussion on this and that eventually something will be done. They may also have super-conservative people on their board who are opposing any action out of fear. This is pure speculation, I know nothing of their power structure but it's this way in virtual any man-made organization.