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Re: Kayra 1.1

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Mehmet and Eduard, since Kayra 1.1 very rarely loses, you should try to make it a bit more aggressive, so it will gain extra ELO :wink:

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Re: Kayra 1.1

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I've played all possible openings and variants with my broad CTG book. I'll start a server test tomorrow with only one thread (half core). Then there will be one or two defeats. :roll:
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Re: Kayra 1.1

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Eduard wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:02 pm I've played all possible openings and variants with my broad CTG book. I'll start a server test tomorrow with only one thread (half core). Then there will be one or two defeats. :roll:
Could you tell me how to reach the Kayra 1.1 playing online server? I have never watched a match between engines online.

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Re: Kayra 1.1

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I play on PlayChess.com. This is a game server by ChessBase. In order to play online on the server and there in the machine room, the software Fritz (Komodo or Fritz) is needed. You have to either create an account on ChessBase (in your browser) or with the software after installation, with which you can log in. Everything is explained on ChessBase.com. In order to play with engines, the serial number (included with the purchase) must be entered on the server. Fritz 18 allows membership for 6 months. After that you can simply renew your membership online with credit card or paypal. No new software or serial number needed.

There are many rooms on the server. I play in the engine room. There you can see all the players and watch every game. Also several games in parallel. All Kibitz games are automatically saved in a database, as are all of your own played games.

In the engine room you start playing mode Computer. All UCI engines can be loaded that were previously installed under fritz. Games start automatically. I play in automatic mode.
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Re: Kayra 1.1

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Here I am playing live with Kayra 1.1 (only 1 thread):

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Re: Kayra 1.1

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Eduard wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:55 pm I play on PlayChess.com. This is a game server by ChessBase. In order to play online on the server and there in the machine room, the software Fritz (Komodo or Fritz) is needed. You have to either create an account on ChessBase (in your browser) or with the software after installation, with which you can log in. Everything is explained on ChessBase.com. In order to play with engines, the serial number (included with the purchase) must be entered on the server. Fritz 18 allows membership for 6 months. After that you can simply renew your membership online with credit card or paypal. No new software or serial number needed.

There are many rooms on the server. I play in the engine room. There you can see all the players and watch every game. Also several games in parallel. All Kibitz games are automatically saved in a database, as are all of your own played games.

In the engine room you start playing mode Computer. All UCI engines can be loaded that were previously installed under fritz. Games start automatically. I play in automatic mode.
Thank you, useful tutorial also for others members :)
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Re: Kayra 1.1

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AlexChess wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:16 am
I have reduced ELO by 150 points to all engines of my SuperBlitz, trying to syncronize computer with human ELO according to GM Larry Kaufman suggestion. Now very top engines have 3500 ELO. You are right, ELO is relative ...the important info is the ranking.
I have made some tests 2 years ago with Stockfish 271119 and Stockfish 101219. I got much better results than I expected at very low speeds.

In my tests I found this results.

The human elo of Stockfish with 1 kn/s is 2612.
The human elo of Stockfish with 10 kn/s is 2950.
The human elo of Stockfish with 20 kn/s is 3035.


These versions were not yet capable of using NNUE. I'm guessing the human elo of latest Stockfish Dev with 1 kn/s is around 2700 elo.
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Re: Kayra 1.1

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mehmet123 wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:54 am
AlexChess wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:16 am
I have reduced ELO by 150 points to all engines of my SuperBlitz, trying to syncronize computer with human ELO according to GM Larry Kaufman suggestion. Now very top engines have 3500 ELO. You are right, ELO is relative ...the important info is the ranking.
I have made some tests 2 years ago with Stockfish 271119 and Stockfish 101219. I got much better results than I expected at very low speeds.

In my tests I found this results.

The human elo of Stockfish with 1 kn/s is 2612.
The human elo of Stockfish with 10 kn/s is 2950.
The human elo of Stockfish with 20 kn/s is 3035.


These versions were not yet capable of using NNUE. I'm guessing the human elo of latest Stockfish Dev with 1 kn/s is around 2700 elo.
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The average speed of my hardware for Stockfish and derivatives is 2 Mn/s on starting position :)
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Re: Kayra 1.1

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Dear Mehmet,
I have to report from my new long time TC tournaments 2 nice Kayra 1.1 wins against CorChess 3 100122 and SugaR AI 2.50 ICCF. 2 Hours + 30 secs /ALL, 8 moves pgn book, Tablebases Syzygy 5 pieces. So the quality of analysis is very good at this depth.

[pgn][Event "Long Time Best Engines-BanksiaGui"]
[Site "Rome"]
[Date "2022.01.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Kayra 1.1 PB"]
[Black "CorChess 3 100122"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[Time "07:36:49"]
[Board "20"]
[Termination "adjudication by engines' scores"]
[ECO "A22"]
[Opening "English"]

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5
3. g3 Bb4 {A22: English, Bremen, Smyslov system} 4. Bg2 O-O
5. e4 Bxc3 6. bxc3 d6
7. d3 Re8 8. Nf3 a6 {End of opening}
9. a4 {+0.70/38 243433 477202743} Nbd7 {+0.61/34 307006 494635787} 10. h3 {+0.80/39 181032 347988954} h6 {+0.45/36 402047 639471433}
11. Be3 {+0.78/42 357381 685383648} Nc5 {+0.50/35 107072 170187212} 12. O-O {+0.71/43 196701 370325116} Bd7 {+0.46/34 295521 475992886}
13. Qc2 {+0.74/41 114718 224246765} a5 {+0.56/33 147876 237778084} 14. Nd2 {+0.77/42 170459 326030581} Qe7 {+0.56/34 356642 576124379}
15. Kh2 {+0.81/40 273179 522110365} b6 {+0.45/33 382464 589579551} 16. f4 {+0.87/38 81853 149736058} Rad8 {+0.48/33 553786 844520083}
17. f5 {+0.56/44 617204 1125543384} Bc6 {+0.48/34 72578 43760884} 18. g4 {+0.53/35 130408 205583628} Kh7 {+0.32/32 156920 195267029}
19. Kg1 {+0.41/42 606282 1073276324} Bb7 {+0.33/34 456363 731565470} 20. g5 {+0.55/36 71176 137129955} hxg5 {+0.41/33 101459 165575461}
21. Bxg5 {+0.77/41 104013 200968296} Rh8 {+0.33/34 116323 186287947} 22. h4 {+0.58/42 185926 361156858} Kg8 {+0.25/32 101513 165581644}
23. Rf2 {+0.64/41 155791 298339145} Re8 {+0.16/34 223176 360720181} 24. Bf3 {+0.34/38 230288 448530444} Qd8 {+0.24/31 132200 216159641}
25. Nf1 {+0.29/39 266902 515255309} Kf8 {+0.24/32 107792 180821815} 26. Ne3 {+0.36/41 107236 211600059} Ke7 {+0.25/32 125600 210782517}
27. Rh2 {+0.48/47 405248 816901462} Kd7 {+0.42/35 348323 591410172} 28. Nd5 {+0.67/48 74499 152901423} Kc8 {+0.33/35 88878 152806219}
29. Nxf6 {+0.67/50 153612 313987508} gxf6 {+0.45/35 158667 276608017} 30. Be3 {+0.80/56 89419 185316908} Rh7 {+0.39/37 224807 394092179}
31. h5 {+0.57/48 367216 742280540} Rg8+ {+0.45/40 72163 125340643} 32. Kf2 {+0.61/45 67716 139989052} Qe8 {+0.55/36 149327 258871739}
33. h6 {+0.63/50 81229 169530747} Bc6 {+0.53/36 303316 519619148} 34. Rh4 {+0.65/48 94861 196847508} Bxa4 {+0.49/34 178904 313489093}
35. Qb1 {+0.80/46 190749 398584996} Nb7 {+0.39/35 222186 388055230} 36. d4 {+0.68/48 105521 214412144} Bd7 {+0.48/32 186724 319326640}
37. Be2 {+0.71/43 215364 439237095} Qf8 {+0.52/36 52039 90239254} 38. Qb2 {+0.70/44 76568 158391594} Rgh8 {+0.50/35 252307 436404501}
39. Qd2 {+0.69/45 181462 360700598} Bc6 {+0.53/34 49122 85367420} 40. Bd3 {+0.67/42 87004 181641253} Kb8 {+0.60/37 145638 248473684}
41. Rah1 {+0.64/41 93244 193936898} Rg8 {+0.53/37 222330 370906593} 42. Qa2 {+0.68/43 292684 565408714} Rgh8 {+0.59/36 57554 97184536}
43. Qa1 {+0.75/40 67414 140008230} Bd7 {+0.57/34 96095 162970564} 44. Bc2 {+0.75/42 99347 203254009} Bc6 {+0.53/37 86304 149097793}
45. Qd1 {+0.63/43 238775 483306648} Bd7 {+0.54/38 74887 126921551} 46. R1h2 {+0.63/46 157085 322237703} Ka7 {+0.53/37 198676 341131648}
47. Kf3 {+0.64/42 69328 144081570} Qe8 {+0.53/35 173862 295984816} 48. Rh1 {+0.65/43 85748 176489775} Kb8 {+0.60/36 80326 139327113}
49. Qa1 {+0.62/39 77674 161700667} Bc6 {+0.58/36 57457 102687726} 50. Rg4 {+0.55/44 68874 144172488} Qc8 {+0.54/32 78479 136217724}
51. Kf2 {+0.54/47 66697 137769070} Qe8 {+0.53/33 57648 100820384} 52. Bd3 {+0.62/46 63880 134536701} Ka7 {+0.53/34 152797 261643595}
53. Bc2 {+0.63/47 185896 374909588} Qf8 {+0.60/37 233606 369318841} 54. Qg1 {+0.58/40 40304 84812541} Qe8 {+0.55/36 127178 209695230}
55. Qb1 {+0.56/47 186496 375188764} Ba4 {+0.53/34 33062 57125317} 56. Qa2 {+0.56/46 55439 111960853} Bc6 {+0.57/35 63210 108779116}
57. Rgh4 {+0.56/47 86085 169874045} Qe7 {+0.54/33 36001 62169735} 58. Kf3 {+0.56/41 60392 119444290} Qe8 {+0.61/32 30291 50257219}
59. Bd3 {+0.56/43 40959 75136102} Kb8 {+0.58/33 136098 203636681} 60. Qf2 {+0.56/35 64427 110000679} Ka7 {+0.69/29 91070 145755816}
61. Rb1 {+0.60/34 54999 104368827} Ka8 {+0.64/28 24526 39659065} 62. Bc2 {+0.71/40 242200 446749995} Qc8 {+0.64/27 25819 42587000}
63. Ke2 {+0.90/29 16095 32351668} Qf8 {+0.75/25 11715 18974927} 64. Qh2 {+1.07/30 25841 52326649} Kb8 {+0.99/28 72413 120089241}
65. Kd2 {+0.87/30 37904 74882969} Kc8 {+1.05/29 57945 94848151} 66. Kc1 {+1.26/29 16932 34592765} a4 {+1.03/26 5485 8627561}
67. Rb4 {+1.27/27 22245 45223432} Qe8 {+1.01/28 85121 142202986} 68. Qe2 {+1.14/37 158864 319295523} Kd8 {+0.60/23 11139 19543869}
69. c5 {+1.14/37 5838 12726070} bxc5 {+1.15/28 21341 37908530} 70. dxc5 {+1.37/36 12321 27455444} Ke7 {+1.18/27 8114 15661092}
71. Qc4 {+1.27/37 20389 48540934} a3 {+1.10/29 18477 35946417} 72. Ba4 {+1.57/36 15445 34881441} Na5 {+1.51/30 31074 59195579}
73. Qa6 {+1.57/46 54148 121936715} Qa8 {+1.66/28 16024 31849393} 74. cxd6+ {+1.49/34 12654 28622642} cxd6 {+1.62/29 15510 29916997}
75. Qxa8 {+1.40/39 25155 61205184} Rxa8 {+1.59/29 26265 50364710} 76. Kb1 {+1.43/39 13547 31699980} Kd7 {+1.57/32 33326 64629476}
77. Ka2 {+1.56/32 14833 32760523} Rc8 {+1.58/28 18732 36084092} 78. Rh3 {+1.95/35 34914 77714930} Bxa4 {+2.00/34 85177 159837721}
79. Rxa4 {+2.05/32 11787 27335950} Nc4 {+1.94/29 7380 13574663} 80. Bc1 {+2.04/33 18959 42048668} Nb6 {+2.03/29 16996 32335637}
81. Ra6 {+2.12/32 24155 53356960} Kc7 {+2.11/29 17525 31900985} 82. Kb3 {+1.94/34 23773 54217760} Kb7 {+2.05/29 54804 92067665}
83. Rxa3 {+1.94/34 20700 47399321} d5 {+1.98/25 8292 16127479} 84. exd5 {+2.13/32 23576 52721062} Nxd5 {+2.12/27 26515 51725826}
85. Ra4 {+2.41/31 23751 54807361} Ne7 {+2.35/32 115668 218753701} 86. Rb4+ {+2.50/32 24392 55428960} Kc7 {+2.41/27 5325 10601450}
87. Rc4+ {+2.91/32 40466 91126119} Nc6 {+2.54/27 15496 30042291} 88. Ra4 {+3.07/34 46098 108294301} Rg8 {+2.33/20 9949 19277056}
89. Be3 {+3.15/31 18767 45735209} Ne7 {+2.82/29 94521 169323157} 90. Ra7+ {+3.99/29 31189 67557813} Kd6 {+3.45/24 12295 22704966}
91. Bd2 {+4.03/34 20738 47145072} Nxf5 {+4.32/26 57070 105783406} 92. Rf3 {+4.38/33 32256 72557479} Ng3 {+4.17/23 18624 35492937}
93. Rxf6+ {+4.50/29 22189 54251514} Kd5 {+3.49/19 4608 9678301} 94. c4+ {+4.85/29 25897 66045806} Kd4 {+4.87/25 24156 51038043}
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[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Long Time Best Engines-BanksiaGui"]
[Site "Rome"]
[Date "2022.01.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Kayra 1.1 PB"]
[Black "SugaR AI ICCF 2.50"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[Time "07:36:49"]
[Board "22"]
[Termination "adjudication by engines' scores"]
[ECO "B51"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6
3. Bb5+ {B51: Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Nimzovich-Rossolimo, Moscow) attack} Nd7 4. O-O Ngf6
5. Re1 a6 6. Bf1 e6
7. c3 Be7 8. d4 O-O {End of opening}
9. a4 {+0.99/42 323133 628153130} h6 {+0.59/32 982403 1726345960} 10. d5 {+0.90/39 178629 351745470} exd5 {+0.60/28 75775 136365594}
11. exd5 {+1.00/43 103214 207434028} Re8 {+0.56/31 334956 599231039} 12. c4 {+1.20/37 109210 213788243} Nf8 {+0.67/29 102950 183395490}
13. Nc3 {+1.11/41 297657 588829175} Bf5 {+0.67/26 113908 202758089} 14. h3 {+1.06/38 82222 169233402} b6 {+0.52/29 678548 1220964444}
15. Bf4 {+1.23/40 109090 220078493} Ng6 {+0.61/27 209813 378802311} 16. Bh2 {+1.23/45 149438 305094670} h5 {+0.70/27 128523 231454344}
17. Bd3 {+1.13/46 168787 341956002} Qd7 {+0.63/30 201972 368030909} 18. Qc2 {+1.04/41 119687 241414571} Bxd3 {+0.62/27 123177 225201258}
19. Qxd3 {+1.00/44 172951 353516335} Bf8 {+0.53/30 412434 748776562} 20. Red1 {+1.00/44 165234 338264541} Rad8 {+0.54/27 150920 272907576}
21. Rab1 {+1.07/44 293992 589851336} Rc8 {+0.62/35 509954 914418225} 22. b3 {+1.03/39 88557 181415941} Rb8 {+0.60/26 140246 253918575}
23. Bg3 {+1.01/44 271939 556480782} Ra8 {+0.62/30 450194 819071408} 24. Bh2 {+1.09/45 147453 298738839} Rab8 {+0.65/27 57777 106625294}
25. Rb2 {+0.98/45 150946 307268707} Be7 {+0.63/29 313532 569575434} 26. Bg3 {+1.00/42 251105 512826297} Bd8 {+0.62/29 135737 244076869}
27. Ra2 {+1.01/43 92214 193970423} Rc8 {+0.64/29 303809 561079876} 28. Rdd2 {+1.10/44 360033 738964501} Nh7 {+0.63/28 153810 276324804}
29. Re2 {+1.00/44 92554 191409049} Rxe2 {+0.66/29 146491 270006790} 30. Rxe2 {+0.96/44 129295 271291195} Rb8 {+0.62/27 112579 208683332}
31. Bh2 {+1.06/46 126246 261785164} Bf6 {+0.65/29 151692 283064829} 32. Ne4 {+0.97/44 221786 460468992} Be7 {+0.64/26 60762 115559970}
33. Re3 {+1.04/45 389796 806092900} h4 {+0.62/27 100211 188616691} 34. Re1 {+0.91/43 156595 331700039} Rd8 {+0.63/28 196741 368311756}
35. Nc3 {+0.96/41 165522 339005411} Rb8 {+0.64/27 187839 347901504} 36. Qe2 {+1.16/44 382101 782775132} Bf6 {+0.66/26 51647 95545347}
37. Ne4 {+0.92/41 175671 369215271} Be7 {+0.68/27 61813 116029887} 38. Qd2 {+0.97/43 237532 494006094} Qd8 {+0.64/27 256338 474502070}
39. Qd3 {+1.09/41 90105 186198954} Qd7 {+0.70/24 45229 82517809} 40. Nc3 {+1.05/45 228106 467327833} Re8 {+0.62/27 265417 486113229}
41. Kf1 {+0.96/44 95454 196546490} Rb8 {+0.64/25 42623 77876905} 42. Qb1 {+0.94/41 87982 181882716} Nf6 {+0.67/29 389617 712930807}
43. Nd2 {+1.00/45 207345 424585407} Kf8 {+0.68/24 142474 262537326} 44. Qd1 {+0.99/40 162686 340551902} Kg8 {+0.68/27 50694 92726430}
45. Qe2 {+1.11/43 99839 208359013} Rb7 {+0.68/28 88132 161281339} 46. Qf3 {+1.16/37 76239 160122789} Nf8 {+0.67/28 82166 150721666}
47. Qd3 {+1.21/42 175524 358008103} Ne8 {+0.65/24 83471 152894040} 48. Kg1 {+1.15/40 51208 104674174} Ng6 {+0.68/25 93510 166538527}
49. Kh1 {+1.15/37 122955 253417310} Rb8 {+0.68/24 68964 126843354} 50. Qe2 {+1.11/39 112445 228706873} Rb7 {+0.70/23 30589 55987803}
51. Kg1 {+1.10/40 77747 162912321} Nf8 {+0.73/26 71393 129256707} 52. Nf3 {+1.31/39 63335 133445419} Ng6 {+0.66/23 30199 55588616}
53. Ng5 {+1.38/38 76533 160872805} Nf6 {+0.84/26 127166 228049400} 54. Qf3 {+1.58/39 65154 135822841} Nf8 {+0.86/22 18134 33588683}
55. Qf4 {+1.19/51 784153 1596863262} Ng6 {+1.02/21 12258 23074383} 56. Qf3 {+1.58/39 34117 72671302} Nf8 {+0.91/23 20846 38724669}
57. g4 {+1.36/41 111870 232322785} hxg3 {+0.91/24 7928 15082840} 58. Bxg3 {+1.32/42 18574 40192170} N8h7 {+1.00/23 14028 25773439}
59. Nxh7 {+1.31/42 38947 81951910} Nxh7 {+1.01/24 28183 52591303} 60. h4 {+1.64/36 27946 61310087} Nf6 {+0.95/23 17352 32240954}
61. Kg2 {+1.69/34 24702 55739950} g6 {+1.13/23 31315 60686710} 62. Ne4 {+1.80/35 25064 55355941} Nh5 {+1.09/23 15378 29058886}
63. Bh2 {+1.99/36 31082 70517361} Qd8 {+1.50/28 133080 244987713} 64. Ng3 {+2.49/36 33992 79590619} Nxg3 {+1.44/23 5690 10943312}
65. Qxg3 {+2.46/38 33973 79686005} Bxh4 {+1.58/25 35699 74125658} 66. Qxd6 {+2.72/35 27930 64150573} Rd7 {+1.80/24 13706 26486544}
67. Qf4 {+2.81/34 32400 72011312} Bf6 {+1.63/21 10976 21646110} 68. Qf3 {+2.86/36 35002 80622100} a5 {+2.04/22 55293 107882871}
69. Re4 {+3.27/37 37839 93575039} Ra7 {+2.16/23 45031 89915534} 70. Bb8 {+3.74/39 74593 184879326} Rb7 {+2.25/23 11989 26172900}
71. Bd6 {+3.87/32 21277 56730335} Kg7 {+2.25/23 18065 38531391} 72. Qg3 {+3.82/34 23484 62117513} Rd7 {+2.31/24 45857 92059389}
73. Bf4 {+4.15/36 43848 109042668} Ra7 {+2.53/23 37133 76333324} 74. Re3 {+4.25/37 32103 79687707} Rd7 {+2.65/21 15701 31398750}
75. Re1 {+4.50/34 23092 60747317} Kg8 {+2.52/22 37163 73715339} 76. Be5 {+5.25/32 24730 66429521} Bg7 {+2.98/22 24645 50286589}
77. Qf4 {+6.05/32 20481 55953885} Qf8 {+3.62/27 75128 147725697} 78. Bxg7 {+7.07/35 21790 59827772} Kxg7 {+5.30/23 13754 29511993}
79. Rh1 {+7.44/36 50693 146084529} Qe8 {+5.52/25 34008 67655167} 80. Qh6+ {+8.10/33 23057 66879303} Kf6 {+6.37/20 12752 26738503}
81. Kf3 {+8.05/39 21769 63607137} Re7 {+6.66/21 31068 61750921} 1-0[/pgn]
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Eduard
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Re: Kayra 1.1

Post by Eduard »

Sugar ICCF is not a play engine. It is made for extremely long analyses.

Both of Black's openings are weak. Anyone who plays a lot on PlayChess knows all this. Congratulations to Kayra, but it was won against weak openings and against an engine that wasn't made for play. Sorry.