Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

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Re: Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

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Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:00 am I just want to test the H15 engine for a few days and have a little nostalgia feeling with it. For that I don't buy a complete package that I don't need. If the engine is just a small bonus, why are engine lovers being forced to buy these packages?
They are not forced. They have the option to ignore the release
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The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.
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Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:05 am The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.
The 'point' is...for $79.95 USD, you can have it...."to test" or relive "a little nostalgia" if those things matter that much to you. The same goes with Dragon 2.6 which is roughly the same price as I recall and for just the engine. Did you pony up for that?

You have already expressed your 'preference' to donate to open source projects (free stuff). That is where your joy lies, so...perhaps you should just go with that and just stop whining, okay?
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Cornfed wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:54 am 96% (yes, I've done a through study.... :wink: )of the people who frequent this place are only interested in pushing engines around against other engines and thinking THEY have accomplished something.
You should take a look at this German forum forum.computerschach.de using Google translate. It is bizarre. In basically every thread it takes just 5 minutes and they start throwing things at each other.
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Cornfed wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:06 am
Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:05 am The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.
The 'point' is...for $79.95 USD, you can have it...."to test" or relive "a little nostalgia" if those things matter that much to you. The same goes with Dragon 2.6 which is roughly the same price as I recall and for just the engine. Did you pony up for that?

You have already expressed your 'preference' to donate to open source projects (free stuff). That is where your joy lies, so...perhaps you should just go with that and just stop whining, okay?
I write that I am ONLY interested in the pure engine, ok! I'm not interested in the package. I have no use for Hiarcs Explorer. I work with other tools.

I lack a reasonable justification for not being able to buy a pure engine that I used to love (I also have older Hiarcs versions).

And you tell me to buy the expensive package (bla bla).

But I won't moan, I promise.

I am very disappointed with Mark Uniacke.
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Re: Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

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emadsen wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:51 am What are you guys ranting about? Hiarcs Chess Pro is chess database software. The engine is just a bonus feature. The price is for the database features, including support for very fast load and search times for very large databases. And for support of ChessBase opening books and databases (converted to faster HCE format).
Erik, it is also a playing software, but I like the levels. If the publishing capabilities are good, I will thinking seriously about buying it.

BTW, had another look at your blog. I hope you'll continue to develop MadChess. And the killing move was d1S+, forking the queen.

Best wishes!
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Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:21 pm
Cornfed wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:06 am
Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:05 am The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.
The 'point' is...for $79.95 USD, you can have it...."to test" or relive "a little nostalgia" if those things matter that much to you. The same goes with Dragon 2.6 which is roughly the same price as I recall and for just the engine. Did you pony up for that?

You have already expressed your 'preference' to donate to open source projects (free stuff). That is where your joy lies, so...perhaps you should just go with that and just stop whining, okay?
I write that I am ONLY interested in the pure engine, ok! I'm not interested in the package. I have no use for Hiarcs Explorer. I work with other tools.

I lack a reasonable justification for not being able to buy a pure engine that I used to love (I also have older Hiarcs versions).

And you tell me to buy the expensive package (bla bla).

But I won't moan, I promise.

I am very disappointed with Mark Uniacke.
I understand your request now. I understand that you don't want to pay that much money for a chess engine when you don't need to use the Hiarcs Chess Explorer database software.

There is a user on the official forum who had the individual opportunity to purchase the Deep Hiarcs 14 chess engine. Officially, the Hiarcs 14 chess engine was not sold separately. Hiarcs 14 was also included in Hiarcs Chess Explorer 1.x database software. It is therefore likely that if the user contacts Mark on an official email, he will be able to buy a new chess engine at a much lower price.
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herO wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:10 pm There is a user on the official forum who had the individual opportunity to purchase the Deep Hiarcs 14 chess engine. Officially, the Hiarcs 14 chess engine was not sold separately. Hiarcs 14 was also included in Hiarcs Chess Explorer 1.x database software. It is therefore likely that if the user contacts Mark on an official email, he will be able to buy a new chess engine at a much lower price.
That user got the following reply:
HIARCS 15 is only available with HCE Pro.
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herO wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:10 pm
Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:21 pm
Cornfed wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:06 am
Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:05 am The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.
The 'point' is...for $79.95 USD, you can have it...."to test" or relive "a little nostalgia" if those things matter that much to you. The same goes with Dragon 2.6 which is roughly the same price as I recall and for just the engine. Did you pony up for that?

You have already expressed your 'preference' to donate to open source projects (free stuff). That is where your joy lies, so...perhaps you should just go with that and just stop whining, okay?
I write that I am ONLY interested in the pure engine, ok! I'm not interested in the package. I have no use for Hiarcs Explorer. I work with other tools.

I lack a reasonable justification for not being able to buy a pure engine that I used to love (I also have older Hiarcs versions).

And you tell me to buy the expensive package (bla bla).

But I won't moan, I promise.

I am very disappointed with Mark Uniacke.
I understand your request now. I understand that you don't want to pay that much money for a chess engine when you don't need to use the Hiarcs Chess Explorer database software.

There is a user on the official forum who had the individual opportunity to purchase the Deep Hiarcs 14 chess engine. Officially, the Hiarcs 14 chess engine was not sold separately. Hiarcs 14 was also included in Hiarcs Chess Explorer 1.x database software. It is therefore likely that if the user contacts Mark on an official email, he will be able to buy a new chess engine at a much lower price.
I will not ask for a special engine version. I understand that many people like to use the Hiarcs Explorer under Apple software. Apple software is good, but too expensive for me. If you use Apple for you, the price for the Hiarcs Explorer is OK. I use Windows, and since version 1 the ChessBase program. I am very satisfied with it because all UCI engines can be integrated. I cannot confirm the criticism that ChessBase is slow. I use databases with many millions of games (Mega Database commented on in detail). With the search accelerator set up, everything can be found very quickly, players, openings, mate, stalemate, figure stays, material difference, endgames, etc .. !!

Nevertheless, I wish all users of Hiarcs Explorer a lot of fun with it.

I'm not interested in all kinds of engines. But I am in the scene from the first DOS version and have acquired all of these engines: ChessGenius, Shredder, Hiarcs, Fritz, MChess, Zarkov etc.

So I'm sorry to have to go without H15, but OK.

I took a break from computer chess from 2012 to 2017 (played myself). I reawakened my love for engines in 2017 and fondly remember the good old time! :)
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Re: Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

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Eduard wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:21 pm

But I won't moan, I promise.

I am very disappointed with Mark Uniacke.
Just one question: Did you purchase Dragon or any other pay engine?