I certainly have no clue. But you got me interested and this looks as if I'll be able to understand some of it. Thanks.Guenther wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:35 pm
You talk about something different than what Frank started with this thread. Currently we are talking about simply (ab)using a plain SF net...
(including all SF nnue code and all SF eval and all training efforts by just plugin' a dll)
It seems you are even more confused than Frank?
Read Connors' posts in this thread may be that helps:
forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79407&p=921701#p921674
Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Of course I can compile a current Bit-Genie, but I haven't checked if this issue is fixed or known?Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:20 pm
BTW:
It's possible for you to compile a new Bit-Genie for my next "run-3".
9.19 have problems with endgames (often not set mate, games ended with a draw).
Best
Frank
Have you ever reported it? Just create an issue at github, if not.
Can you post an example in a new thread about Bit-Genie? That's the usual way.
Edit:
Those patches could have influence on your problems, but it needs to be tested.
https://github.com/Aryan1508/Bit-Genie/pull/208
https://github.com/Aryan1508/Bit-Genie/pull/207
I am currently using 9.23 here and there was a tc fix for (exotic) mps time controls with inc after this.
I will PM you with some compilations...
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Hi Günther,
I am reading here ...
https://ifross.github.io/ifrOSS/Lizenzcenter
It's sheer lunacy, have the people no other things in the brain.
To much is to much!
...
I try to contact the programmer of Bit-Genie via private message and got from Sam Hull:
"The following is an email sent to you by Frank Quisinsky via your account on "TalkChess.com". If this message is spam, contains abusive or other comments you find offensive please contact the webmaster of the board at the following address:"
Database from FCP Tourney-Ki, run-2 are full of such games.
Bit-Genie lost a lot of points.
I will search the games in the evening, need time for it.
Thanks Günther!
Best
Frank
I am reading here ...
https://ifross.github.io/ifrOSS/Lizenzcenter
It's sheer lunacy, have the people no other things in the brain.
To much is to much!
...
I try to contact the programmer of Bit-Genie via private message and got from Sam Hull:
"The following is an email sent to you by Frank Quisinsky via your account on "TalkChess.com". If this message is spam, contains abusive or other comments you find offensive please contact the webmaster of the board at the following address:"
Database from FCP Tourney-Ki, run-2 are full of such games.
Bit-Genie lost a lot of points.
I will search the games in the evening, need time for it.
Thanks Günther!
Best
Frank
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
If engine B copies engine A's evaluation function functionally verbatim, can we really consider engine B a unique engine? At this point, why not just copy the search as well? The majority of authors have avoided doing this as it's generally regarded as incredibly boring and doing so eliminates any room for creativity and differentiation with respect to the evaluation function.
Current exceptions that I'm aware of are: FireNN, Gogobello, Mayhem, Tornado, AndscacsNNUE (the author mentioned this was just an experiment and not to be tested), BBC (also just an experiment), Caissa and Coiled. It could make sense to append "SF" to the end of these engines' names, but I'd argue you'd be better off just not testing them in that case (which is the policy CCRL has adopted FWIW).
Current exceptions that I'm aware of are: FireNN, Gogobello, Mayhem, Tornado, AndscacsNNUE (the author mentioned this was just an experiment and not to be tested), BBC (also just an experiment), Caissa and Coiled. It could make sense to append "SF" to the end of these engines' names, but I'd argue you'd be better off just not testing them in that case (which is the policy CCRL has adopted FWIW).
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Hi Conner,
Caissa also?
Will be on my list for the next run-3!
Could you give me hints I have to set such an information:
Coiled 1.1 NNsf (sf for Stockfish for an example).
With Rodent 1.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
With DanaSah 9.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
Maybe others?
With Gogobello and Andscacs, Coiled I am sure.
Must do that I think!!
Thanks for your time!
Best
Frank
Here the current file:
Caissa also?
Will be on my list for the next run-3!
Could you give me hints I have to set such an information:
Coiled 1.1 NNsf (sf for Stockfish for an example).
With Rodent 1.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
With DanaSah 9.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
Maybe others?
With Gogobello and Andscacs, Coiled I am sure.
Must do that I think!!
Thanks for your time!
Best
Frank
Here the current file:
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March 08th, 2022 (10:00)
After 56.352 games
KI-Ratings, v2.28-a23
Shredder 13 = 3125.00 Elo
... after round 28 out of 30 from "run-2", still running
... after round 23 out of 30 from "run-A", still running
# Player : Elo Games Score% won draw lost Points Draw% Error OppAvg OppE OppD
01. Stockfish 311221 NN dev : 3488.78 1699 80.9 1052 646 1 1375.0 38.0 13.70 3205.88 11.28 57.9
02. Lc0 0.28.2 611062 GPU : 3473.70 920 80.2 557 362 1 738.0 39.3 17.95 3198.62 10.54 40.0 ... on RTX-3070 Ti
--. Stockfish 151121 NN dev : 3469.45 1200 81.9 767 431 2 982.5 35.9 16.64 3176.04 11.00 40.0
03. ShashChess 20.2 NN : 3461.36 1120 78.0 628 491 1 873.5 43.8 15.62 3214.96 11.08 40.0
04. Dragon 2.6 NN (Komodo) : 3458.03 1699 78.3 973 714 12 1330.0 42.0 12.85 3206.42 11.30 57.9
--. Dragon 2.5.1 NN (Komodo) : 3453.85 1200 80.6 741 452 7 967.0 37.7 16.65 3176.43 11.00 40.0
05. Fire 8 MC.3 NN : 3382.12 2179 70.3 953 1158 68 1532.0 53.1 10.04 3210.73 11.78 73.9
06. SlowChess Blitz 2.83 NN : 3368.85 1120 68.5 455 624 41 767.0 55.7 13.69 3217.28 11.12 40.0
07. Koivisto 7.13 NN : 3367.66 1120 68.3 467 597 56 765.5 53.3 13.84 3217.31 11.12 40.0
08. Revenge 2.0 NN : 3362.13 1699 68.6 701 930 68 1166.0 54.7 11.16 3208.11 11.33 57.9
09. Berserk 8.5.1 NN : 3360.94 1223 69.3 510 675 38 847.5 55.2 13.88 3201.03 10.58 41.0
--. SlowChess Blitz 2.8 NN : 3359.25 1703 68.3 691 943 69 1162.5 55.4 10.74 3206.76 11.41 57.0
--. Berserk 9 NN dev : 3359.02 1120 67.4 449 611 60 754.5 54.6 13.63 3217.52 11.13 40.0
--. Koivisto 7.5 NN : 3349.38 1200 70.5 545 601 54 845.5 50.1 13.71 3179.05 11.07 40.0
10. rofChade 2.317 NN dev : 3343.61 1120 65.6 424 621 75 734.5 55.4 13.42 3217.91 11.13 40.0
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11. Ethereal 13.25 NN : 3343.54 1703 66.5 666 933 104 1132.5 54.8 10.85 3207.03 11.41 57.0
--. Koivisto 7.9 NN : 3337.99 1223 66.7 475 682 66 816.0 55.8 13.33 3201.59 10.60 41.0
--. Berserk 7 NN : 3336.86 1200 69.1 508 642 50 829.0 53.5 13.43 3179.36 11.08 40.0
12. RubiChess 2021 NN : 3320.84 1699 63.9 603 966 130 1086.0 56.9 10.81 3208.84 11.33 57.9
--. RubiChess 2.2 NN : 3302.21 1200 65.1 441 681 78 781.5 56.8 12.79 3180.22 11.10 40.0
--. rofChade 2.313 NN dev : 3289.23 1223 61.0 410 671 142 745.5 54.9 12.27 3202.79 10.62 41.0
--. Revenge 1.0 NN : 3283.62 1200 62.9 404 702 94 755.0 58.5 12.57 3180.69 11.10 40.0
13. Seer 2.4.0 NN : 3283.18 1699 59.4 510 998 191 1009.0 58.7 10.24 3209.51 11.34 57.9
--. Seer 2.4.0 NN dev : 3272.60 1200 61.6 397 684 119 739.0 57.0 12.45 3180.96 11.10 40.0
14. Igel 3.0.10 NN : 3271.95 2179 57.6 572 1365 242 1254.5 62.6 9.10 3212.25 11.79 73.9
15. Nemorino 6.09 NN dev : 3257.11 2179 55.7 578 1273 328 1214.5 58.4 9.04 3212.45 11.79 73.9
--. rofChade 2.310 NN dev : 3253.96 1200 59.3 370 683 147 711.5 56.9 12.84 3181.43 11.09 40.0
16. Arasan 23.2 NN : 3250.96 1699 55.4 425 1032 242 941.0 60.7 10.30 3210.08 11.34 57.9
--. Lc0 0.28.2 752187 CPU : 3248.25 1676 55.5 402 1056 218 930.0 63.0 10.09 3206.51 11.26 57.0
17. Rodent 1.0 NN : 3246.28 1699 54.8 390 1082 227 931.0 63.7 9.38 3210.16 11.36 57.9
18. Coiled 1.1 NN : 3246.18 1120 53.5 251 697 172 599.5 62.2 12.48 3220.34 11.16 40.0
19. Tucano 10.00 NN : 3239.92 1120 52.7 235 711 174 590.5 63.5 12.29 3220.50 11.16 40.0
20. Minic 3.18 NN : 3233.33 1120 51.9 246 670 204 581.0 59.8 12.57 3220.67 11.15 40.0
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21. Booot 7.0 NN dev : 3232.99 1120 51.8 228 705 187 580.5 62.9 12.49 3220.67 11.15 40.0
--. Arasan 23.0.1 NN : 3226.37 1200 55.8 309 722 169 670.0 60.2 12.93 3182.12 11.09 40.0
--. Lc0 0.28.0 744204 CPU : 3210.64 1200 53.8 311 670 219 646.0 55.8 12.10 3182.51 11.11 40.0
--. Booot 6.5 : 3198.13 1703 48.9 343 978 382 832.0 57.4 10.12 3209.60 11.42 57.0
22. Wasp 5.26 NN dev : 3189.38 1120 46.2 203 629 288 517.5 56.2 12.22 3221.76 11.16 40.0
23. Xiphos 0.6 : 3177.58 2179 45.8 346 1303 530 997.5 59.8 9.23 3213.55 11.79 73.9
--. Wasp 5.20 NN : 3168.13 1223 45.7 208 701 314 558.5 57.3 12.03 3205.76 10.63 41.0
--. Minic 3.17 NN : 3163.72 1703 44.5 269 979 455 758.5 57.5 10.15 3210.20 11.42 57.0
24. Clover 3.0 NN : 3159.73 1120 42.4 161 628 331 475.0 56.1 12.65 3222.51 11.15 40.0
--. Wasp 5.00 NN : 3158.38 1200 47.1 202 727 271 565.5 60.6 11.90 3183.82 11.12 40.0
25. Weiss 2.0 : 3150.85 2179 42.5 328 1194 657 925.0 54.8 8.94 3213.92 11.80 73.9
26. Combusken 2.0.0 : 3142.42 1120 40.2 135 631 354 450.5 56.3 12.65 3222.94 11.15 40.0
27. Schooner 2.2 XB : 3138.73 2179 41.0 286 1213 680 892.5 55.7 8.79 3214.08 11.80 73.9
28. Gogobello 3.0 NN : 3138.22 1223 41.9 141 742 340 512.0 60.7 12.04 3206.49 10.63 41.0
29. Defenchess 2.3 dev : 3135.74 2179 40.6 295 1179 705 884.5 54.1 8.95 3214.12 11.80 73.9
30. Zahak 8.6 dev : 3132.99 1200 43.9 205 643 352 526.5 53.6 11.77 3184.46 11.12 40.0
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31. Fritz 18 (Ginkgo) : 3131.57 2179 40.1 281 1185 713 873.5 54.4 9.62 3214.18 11.79 73.9
32. Bit-Genie 9.19 dev : 3129.90 1120 38.7 142 582 396 433.0 52.0 12.95 3223.25 11.14 40.0
33. Laser 1.7 : 3127.99 2179 39.7 292 1144 743 864.0 52.5 8.76 3214.23 11.80 73.9
34. Velvet 3.2.0 NN : 3127.74 1120 38.4 126 608 386 430.0 54.3 12.45 3223.31 11.16 40.0
--. Zahak 9.0 : 3127.22 1699 39.8 217 917 565 675.5 54.0 10.44 3212.26 11.34 57.9
35. Shredder 13 : 3125.00 2179 39.3 293 1126 760 856.0 51.7 9.04 3214.27 11.79 73.9
36. Rebel 14.1 NN : 3124.49 1120 38.0 140 571 409 425.5 51.0 12.36 3223.39 11.16 40.0
--. Clover 2.4 : 3120.62 1703 39.2 194 948 561 668.0 55.7 10.55 3210.96 11.41 57.0
37. Marvin 5.2.0 NN : 3114.92 2179 38.1 246 1167 766 829.5 53.6 9.38 3214.41 11.79 73.9
38. Chiron 5 : 3109.18 2179 37.4 269 1091 819 814.5 50.1 8.86 3214.49 11.80 73.9
39. DanaSah 9.0 NN : 3103.01 2179 36.6 231 1135 813 798.5 52.1 8.96 3214.58 11.80 73.9
40. Fizbo 2.0 : 3101.07 2179 36.4 230 1127 822 793.5 51.7 9.43 3214.60 11.79 73.9
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41. Andscacs 0.95.123 dev : 3098.74 2179 36.1 247 1081 851 787.5 49.6 9.42 3214.63 11.79 73.9
42. Hiarcs 15.0 : 3098.45 1120 34.8 102 576 442 390.0 51.4 12.60 3224.04 11.15 40.0
43. Dark Toga 1.1 NN : 3091.18 1703 35.7 191 834 678 608.0 49.0 10.28 3211.48 11.42 57.0
44. Stash 32 : 3084.06 1223 35.2 116 629 478 430.5 51.4 12.25 3207.82 10.62 41.0
45. Halogen 10 NN : 3072.79 1703 33.6 153 837 713 571.5 49.1 10.89 3211.80 11.41 57.0
46. Winter 0.9 : 3072.25 1703 33.5 178 785 740 570.5 46.1 10.50 3211.81 11.41 57.0
47. GullChess 3.0 Sy : 3066.09 1703 32.8 160 797 746 558.5 46.8 10.86 3211.92 11.41 57.0
48. Orion 0.8 NN : 3058.04 1703 31.9 104 878 721 543.0 51.6 11.01 3212.06 11.40 57.0
--. Wasp 4.50 : 3057.61 1223 32.1 92 601 530 392.5 49.1 13.26 3208.47 10.60 41.0
--. Stash 31.16 dev : 3048.13 1200 33.4 96 610 494 401.0 50.8 12.69 3186.58 11.10 40.0
49. Black Marlin 4.0 NN : 3023.70 1120 26.4 51 489 580 295.5 43.7 14.27 3225.91 11.11 40.0
50. Nirvanachess 2.5 : 3020.22 1200 30.2 76 573 551 362.5 47.8 13.75 3187.27 11.07 40.0
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--. Combusken 1.4.0 : 3012.00 1200 29.3 91 521 588 351.5 43.4 13.52 3187.48 11.08 40.0
51. Demolito 2021-07-09 : 3009.36 1200 29.0 93 510 597 348.0 42.5 13.36 3187.55 11.08 40.0
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White advantage = 67.57 +/- 0.93
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 71.97% +/- 0.27
Summary by Norm Pollock:
Games : 56.352 ( no result = 0, FEN tags = 0 )
Players : 75 ( clusters = 1 )
Date Range : 2021.11.08 - 2022.03.08
White Wins : 17.525 ( 31.10% )
Draws : 30.175 ( 53.55% )
Black Wins : 8.652 ( 15.35% )
White Pct : 57.87%
Black Pct : 42.13%
Range : 39-595
Average : 179.10 = 89,55 moves ( without resign-mode )
StdDev : 74.48
ECO:
A: 10.694
B: 12.473
C: 12.520
D: 9.823
E: 10.842
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Bit-Genie 9.23 dev
I decided to post a link here exceptionally. Note that I will delete it tomorrow and move to my download site,
which I will restructure tomorrow.
This is 9.23 dev, as I still had the sources in my environment, moreover 9.24 just has an additional fix for the exoric mps+inc tc.
https://rwbc-chess.de/Downloads/Engines ... nie_923.7z
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Yes... just check my XB/UCI chronology, none of them is added. It is clean of SF NNUE recycling.
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Hi Günther,
that's what I mean.
NN is a part of program.
In my opinion the work by programmers, used SF NN, should be not ignore.
To many programs!
To search a way, all can life with it, seens to be an order!
Best
Frank
that's what I mean.
NN is a part of program.
In my opinion the work by programmers, used SF NN, should be not ignore.
To many programs!
To search a way, all can life with it, seens to be an order!
Best
Frank
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
Rodent NN is also using a SF network as well (and I believe the author indicated that they prefer it not be tested as well). Danasah is using SF derived inference code and SF training code+game generation code, but with a network initially trained on CCRL data and then further trained with Stockfish self play with the original CCRL network loaded. In the case of Danasah, it's not immediately clear what the correct choice would be.Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:40 pm Hi Conner,
Caissa also?
Will be on my list for the next run-3!
Could you give me hints I have to set such an information:
Coiled 1.1 NNsf (sf for Stockfish for an example).
With Rodent 1.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
With DanaSah 9.0 NN I am not sure (from Scorpio?).
Maybe others?
With Gogobello and Andscacs, Coiled I am sure.
Must do that I think!!
Thanks for your time!
Best
Frank
Here the current file:
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March 08th, 2022 (10:00) After 56.352 games KI-Ratings, v2.28-a23 Shredder 13 = 3125.00 Elo ... after round 28 out of 30 from "run-2", still running ... after round 23 out of 30 from "run-A", still running # Player : Elo Games Score% won draw lost Points Draw% Error OppAvg OppE OppD 01. Stockfish 311221 NN dev : 3488.78 1699 80.9 1052 646 1 1375.0 38.0 13.70 3205.88 11.28 57.9 02. Lc0 0.28.2 611062 GPU : 3473.70 920 80.2 557 362 1 738.0 39.3 17.95 3198.62 10.54 40.0 ... on RTX-3070 Ti --. Stockfish 151121 NN dev : 3469.45 1200 81.9 767 431 2 982.5 35.9 16.64 3176.04 11.00 40.0 03. ShashChess 20.2 NN : 3461.36 1120 78.0 628 491 1 873.5 43.8 15.62 3214.96 11.08 40.0 04. Dragon 2.6 NN (Komodo) : 3458.03 1699 78.3 973 714 12 1330.0 42.0 12.85 3206.42 11.30 57.9 --. Dragon 2.5.1 NN (Komodo) : 3453.85 1200 80.6 741 452 7 967.0 37.7 16.65 3176.43 11.00 40.0 05. Fire 8 MC.3 NN : 3382.12 2179 70.3 953 1158 68 1532.0 53.1 10.04 3210.73 11.78 73.9 06. SlowChess Blitz 2.83 NN : 3368.85 1120 68.5 455 624 41 767.0 55.7 13.69 3217.28 11.12 40.0 07. Koivisto 7.13 NN : 3367.66 1120 68.3 467 597 56 765.5 53.3 13.84 3217.31 11.12 40.0 08. Revenge 2.0 NN : 3362.13 1699 68.6 701 930 68 1166.0 54.7 11.16 3208.11 11.33 57.9 09. Berserk 8.5.1 NN : 3360.94 1223 69.3 510 675 38 847.5 55.2 13.88 3201.03 10.58 41.0 --. SlowChess Blitz 2.8 NN : 3359.25 1703 68.3 691 943 69 1162.5 55.4 10.74 3206.76 11.41 57.0 --. Berserk 9 NN dev : 3359.02 1120 67.4 449 611 60 754.5 54.6 13.63 3217.52 11.13 40.0 --. Koivisto 7.5 NN : 3349.38 1200 70.5 545 601 54 845.5 50.1 13.71 3179.05 11.07 40.0 10. rofChade 2.317 NN dev : 3343.61 1120 65.6 424 621 75 734.5 55.4 13.42 3217.91 11.13 40.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11. Ethereal 13.25 NN : 3343.54 1703 66.5 666 933 104 1132.5 54.8 10.85 3207.03 11.41 57.0 --. Koivisto 7.9 NN : 3337.99 1223 66.7 475 682 66 816.0 55.8 13.33 3201.59 10.60 41.0 --. Berserk 7 NN : 3336.86 1200 69.1 508 642 50 829.0 53.5 13.43 3179.36 11.08 40.0 12. RubiChess 2021 NN : 3320.84 1699 63.9 603 966 130 1086.0 56.9 10.81 3208.84 11.33 57.9 --. RubiChess 2.2 NN : 3302.21 1200 65.1 441 681 78 781.5 56.8 12.79 3180.22 11.10 40.0 --. rofChade 2.313 NN dev : 3289.23 1223 61.0 410 671 142 745.5 54.9 12.27 3202.79 10.62 41.0 --. Revenge 1.0 NN : 3283.62 1200 62.9 404 702 94 755.0 58.5 12.57 3180.69 11.10 40.0 13. Seer 2.4.0 NN : 3283.18 1699 59.4 510 998 191 1009.0 58.7 10.24 3209.51 11.34 57.9 --. Seer 2.4.0 NN dev : 3272.60 1200 61.6 397 684 119 739.0 57.0 12.45 3180.96 11.10 40.0 14. Igel 3.0.10 NN : 3271.95 2179 57.6 572 1365 242 1254.5 62.6 9.10 3212.25 11.79 73.9 15. Nemorino 6.09 NN dev : 3257.11 2179 55.7 578 1273 328 1214.5 58.4 9.04 3212.45 11.79 73.9 --. rofChade 2.310 NN dev : 3253.96 1200 59.3 370 683 147 711.5 56.9 12.84 3181.43 11.09 40.0 16. Arasan 23.2 NN : 3250.96 1699 55.4 425 1032 242 941.0 60.7 10.30 3210.08 11.34 57.9 --. Lc0 0.28.2 752187 CPU : 3248.25 1676 55.5 402 1056 218 930.0 63.0 10.09 3206.51 11.26 57.0 17. Rodent 1.0 NN : 3246.28 1699 54.8 390 1082 227 931.0 63.7 9.38 3210.16 11.36 57.9 18. Coiled 1.1 NN : 3246.18 1120 53.5 251 697 172 599.5 62.2 12.48 3220.34 11.16 40.0 19. Tucano 10.00 NN : 3239.92 1120 52.7 235 711 174 590.5 63.5 12.29 3220.50 11.16 40.0 20. Minic 3.18 NN : 3233.33 1120 51.9 246 670 204 581.0 59.8 12.57 3220.67 11.15 40.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 21. Booot 7.0 NN dev : 3232.99 1120 51.8 228 705 187 580.5 62.9 12.49 3220.67 11.15 40.0 --. Arasan 23.0.1 NN : 3226.37 1200 55.8 309 722 169 670.0 60.2 12.93 3182.12 11.09 40.0 --. Lc0 0.28.0 744204 CPU : 3210.64 1200 53.8 311 670 219 646.0 55.8 12.10 3182.51 11.11 40.0 --. Booot 6.5 : 3198.13 1703 48.9 343 978 382 832.0 57.4 10.12 3209.60 11.42 57.0 22. Wasp 5.26 NN dev : 3189.38 1120 46.2 203 629 288 517.5 56.2 12.22 3221.76 11.16 40.0 23. Xiphos 0.6 : 3177.58 2179 45.8 346 1303 530 997.5 59.8 9.23 3213.55 11.79 73.9 --. Wasp 5.20 NN : 3168.13 1223 45.7 208 701 314 558.5 57.3 12.03 3205.76 10.63 41.0 --. Minic 3.17 NN : 3163.72 1703 44.5 269 979 455 758.5 57.5 10.15 3210.20 11.42 57.0 24. Clover 3.0 NN : 3159.73 1120 42.4 161 628 331 475.0 56.1 12.65 3222.51 11.15 40.0 --. Wasp 5.00 NN : 3158.38 1200 47.1 202 727 271 565.5 60.6 11.90 3183.82 11.12 40.0 25. Weiss 2.0 : 3150.85 2179 42.5 328 1194 657 925.0 54.8 8.94 3213.92 11.80 73.9 26. Combusken 2.0.0 : 3142.42 1120 40.2 135 631 354 450.5 56.3 12.65 3222.94 11.15 40.0 27. Schooner 2.2 XB : 3138.73 2179 41.0 286 1213 680 892.5 55.7 8.79 3214.08 11.80 73.9 28. Gogobello 3.0 NN : 3138.22 1223 41.9 141 742 340 512.0 60.7 12.04 3206.49 10.63 41.0 29. Defenchess 2.3 dev : 3135.74 2179 40.6 295 1179 705 884.5 54.1 8.95 3214.12 11.80 73.9 30. Zahak 8.6 dev : 3132.99 1200 43.9 205 643 352 526.5 53.6 11.77 3184.46 11.12 40.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31. Fritz 18 (Ginkgo) : 3131.57 2179 40.1 281 1185 713 873.5 54.4 9.62 3214.18 11.79 73.9 32. Bit-Genie 9.19 dev : 3129.90 1120 38.7 142 582 396 433.0 52.0 12.95 3223.25 11.14 40.0 33. Laser 1.7 : 3127.99 2179 39.7 292 1144 743 864.0 52.5 8.76 3214.23 11.80 73.9 34. Velvet 3.2.0 NN : 3127.74 1120 38.4 126 608 386 430.0 54.3 12.45 3223.31 11.16 40.0 --. Zahak 9.0 : 3127.22 1699 39.8 217 917 565 675.5 54.0 10.44 3212.26 11.34 57.9 35. Shredder 13 : 3125.00 2179 39.3 293 1126 760 856.0 51.7 9.04 3214.27 11.79 73.9 36. Rebel 14.1 NN : 3124.49 1120 38.0 140 571 409 425.5 51.0 12.36 3223.39 11.16 40.0 --. Clover 2.4 : 3120.62 1703 39.2 194 948 561 668.0 55.7 10.55 3210.96 11.41 57.0 37. Marvin 5.2.0 NN : 3114.92 2179 38.1 246 1167 766 829.5 53.6 9.38 3214.41 11.79 73.9 38. Chiron 5 : 3109.18 2179 37.4 269 1091 819 814.5 50.1 8.86 3214.49 11.80 73.9 39. DanaSah 9.0 NN : 3103.01 2179 36.6 231 1135 813 798.5 52.1 8.96 3214.58 11.80 73.9 40. Fizbo 2.0 : 3101.07 2179 36.4 230 1127 822 793.5 51.7 9.43 3214.60 11.79 73.9 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 41. Andscacs 0.95.123 dev : 3098.74 2179 36.1 247 1081 851 787.5 49.6 9.42 3214.63 11.79 73.9 42. Hiarcs 15.0 : 3098.45 1120 34.8 102 576 442 390.0 51.4 12.60 3224.04 11.15 40.0 43. Dark Toga 1.1 NN : 3091.18 1703 35.7 191 834 678 608.0 49.0 10.28 3211.48 11.42 57.0 44. Stash 32 : 3084.06 1223 35.2 116 629 478 430.5 51.4 12.25 3207.82 10.62 41.0 45. Halogen 10 NN : 3072.79 1703 33.6 153 837 713 571.5 49.1 10.89 3211.80 11.41 57.0 46. Winter 0.9 : 3072.25 1703 33.5 178 785 740 570.5 46.1 10.50 3211.81 11.41 57.0 47. GullChess 3.0 Sy : 3066.09 1703 32.8 160 797 746 558.5 46.8 10.86 3211.92 11.41 57.0 48. Orion 0.8 NN : 3058.04 1703 31.9 104 878 721 543.0 51.6 11.01 3212.06 11.40 57.0 --. Wasp 4.50 : 3057.61 1223 32.1 92 601 530 392.5 49.1 13.26 3208.47 10.60 41.0 --. Stash 31.16 dev : 3048.13 1200 33.4 96 610 494 401.0 50.8 12.69 3186.58 11.10 40.0 49. Black Marlin 4.0 NN : 3023.70 1120 26.4 51 489 580 295.5 43.7 14.27 3225.91 11.11 40.0 50. Nirvanachess 2.5 : 3020.22 1200 30.2 76 573 551 362.5 47.8 13.75 3187.27 11.07 40.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --. Combusken 1.4.0 : 3012.00 1200 29.3 91 521 588 351.5 43.4 13.52 3187.48 11.08 40.0 51. Demolito 2021-07-09 : 3009.36 1200 29.0 93 510 597 348.0 42.5 13.36 3187.55 11.08 40.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ White advantage = 67.57 +/- 0.93 Draw rate (equal opponents) = 71.97% +/- 0.27 Summary by Norm Pollock: Games : 56.352 ( no result = 0, FEN tags = 0 ) Players : 75 ( clusters = 1 ) Date Range : 2021.11.08 - 2022.03.08 White Wins : 17.525 ( 31.10% ) Draws : 30.175 ( 53.55% ) Black Wins : 8.652 ( 15.35% ) White Pct : 57.87% Black Pct : 42.13% Range : 39-595 Average : 179.10 = 89,55 moves ( without resign-mode ) StdDev : 74.48 ECO: A: 10.694 B: 12.473 C: 12.520 D: 9.823 E: 10.842
In any case, it's disappointing to see you remove more original, interesting, engines (such as Winter) in favor of these lower effort engines. It definitely reduces the value of your rating list relative to CCRL in my opinion.
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Re: Andscacs 0.1 with NN file from Coiled ...
what's the deal, Frank?
we see lots of absolutely mediocre engines that wouldn't be even sub-par with HCE, gaining several hundred elo with NNUE they don't deserve, especially copy-pasting SF nets.
we see lots of absolutely mediocre engines that wouldn't be even sub-par with HCE, gaining several hundred elo with NNUE they don't deserve, especially copy-pasting SF nets.