9 pawns is not a legal positions and some gui are not going to accept it but I tried another non legal position but something that the gui is not smart enough to understand it is illegal and stockfish could draw inspite of a big handicap of a tempo.Ovyron wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:47 pmSo why not give 3 knights to a side or see how 9 pawns fare against 3 rooks? I bet there's a lot you don't know about those kind of starting positions but the lack of knowledge doesn't make them interesting.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:46 am Well for one thing for sure most chess players did NOT know that an engine rated only 100 Elo higher could give 2 pawns odds and still win.
[pgn][Event "banksia game"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.06.08"]
[Round "*"]
[White "Wasp 4.50"]
[Black "Stockfish 020622"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[Time "00:19:39"]
[Termination "fifty moves"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/rrrrrrrr/8/8/8/8/RRRRRRRR/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1.Rxf7 {+3.75/9 2767 37709139} Rgxf7 {+4.45/24 3606 25591612} 2.Rxh7 {+4.34/14 2070 24740775} Rhxh7 {+4.82/32 7896 52955108}
3.Rxh7 {+3.76/14 4054 43646024} Rxh7 {+4.77/25 980 6149495} 4.Rxc7 {+3.34/14 3010 31969010} Qxc7 {+2.39/24 1161 6851081}
5.Rxa7 {+2.39/15 7498 79360317} Raxa7 {+1.94/26 5528 33011824} 6.Rxa7 {+2.79/15 3250 34555700} Rxa7 {+1.88/23 915 5771023}
7.Rbc2 {+2.89/14 2544 27014613} Nc6 {+1.73/23 1759 10526308} 8.Rxg8 {+3.89/13 2562 27022822} Qf4 {+1.41/22 1383 8054803}
9.Bg2 {+3.62/15 1903 20361796} Qh4+ {+0.33/21 1345 8013498} 10.Kf1 {+3.89/16 1938 20797235} Rhf7+ {+0.24/23 1526 8908499}
11.Nf3 {+2.34/17 2412 26489162} Ba6 {+0.24/28 1645 9329889} 12.Kg1 {+2.37/17 2879 31925956} Rxf3 {+0.23/27 1811 9934887}
13.Rxd7 {+2.48/16 2897 33701835} Raxd7 {+0.21/28 2601 14624945} 14.Rxe7+ {+1.69/17 3387 41510036} Nxe7 {+0.24/25 2166 12269745}
15.Qxf3 {+1.48/17 2776 34989034} Qe1+ {+0.18/28 1470 8057641} 16.Kh2 {+1.32/19 2910 37144350} Qh4+ {+0.17/26 1999 11337241}
17.Kg1 {+1.12/18 2781 35322223} Qe1+ {+0.21/29 1825 10869991} 18.Kh2 {+1.09/18 2645 34515086} Qh4+ {+0.21/33 2079 12205610}
19.Qh3 {+0.98/18 1418 17246196} Qxh3+ {+0.18/30 5928 35898844} 20.Kxh3 {+1.06/17 1872 23458344} Nxg8 {+0.19/29 1498 8997443}
21.Bc6 {+0.47/15 2561 32918222} Ne7 {+0.21/29 2976 18022302} 22.Bxd7+ {+1.00/16 1769 22542480} Kxd7 {+0.18/34 1545 8706815}
23.Nc3 {+0.99/16 1729 21608559} Nc6 {+0.16/21 1560 9234711} 24.Rd2+ {+1.02/15 1693 21144108} Ke6 {+0.21/28 1672 9739641}
25.Rd1 {+0.76/17 1241 15648468} Ne5 {+0.23/25 3524 20923381} 26.Be3 {+0.67/16 1232 15402485} Nd3 {+0.20/93 11487 71904187}
27.Ra1 {+0.48/16 1639 22102338} Bc8 {+0.22/29 1915 11603375} 28.Ra8 {+0.51/16 2074 27159368} Bd7 {+0.20/28 1700 10181686}
29.Ra6+ {+0.61/15 1560 19991070} Bd6 {+0.18/29 1854 10889077} 30.Kh4 {+0.67/15 1575 20325444} Nb4 {+0.21/29 1233 7081493}
31.Ra7 {+0.58/17 1124 14237831} Nc6 {+0.19/26 5005 28899903} 32.Ra2 {+0.76/15 1500 19134830} Ne7 {+0.21/25 891 5471839}
33.Bg1 {+0.57/14 1479 19245434} Kf5 {+0.16/25 2113 11859130} 34.Rf2+ {+0.50/15 1453 18508017} Kg6 {+0.16/27 1859 11391199}
35.Rg2+ {+0.50/16 1430 18931272} Kf5 {+0.18/31 644 3861723} 36.Rg5+ {+0.49/18 1423 18121153} Kf4 {+0.17/34 733 5225255}
37.Bh2+ {+0.64/19 1035 15029327} Kf3 {+0.19/30 1455 9793060} 38.Bxd6 {+0.65/21 1035 15350341} Nf5+ {+0.16/37 945 7549783}
39.Rxf5+ {+0.65/23 1033 17062531} Bxf5 {-0.43/27 905 7283074} 40.Kg5 {+0.65/23 1035 18053422} Bc8 {-0.43/28 1190 9341228}
41.Kf6 {+0.65/22 1379 26167514} Kg4 {-0.43/36 1282 9687630} 42.Ne4 {+0.66/21 1016 17579841} Bb7 {-0.43/30 845 6714544}
43.Nd2 {+0.67/22 1014 18179564} Bd5 {-0.43/33 880 6544541} 44.Be5 {+0.66/24 1377 25552863} Bc6 {-0.35/36 2912 23503568}
45.Nb3 {+0.68/24 1000 18699831} Ba8 {-0.36/35 583 4646149} 46.Nd4 {+0.67/23 1006 18836719} Kh3 {-0.35/39 1057 8798905}
47.Kf5 {+0.68/23 1345 25338915} Kg2 {-0.36/35 426 3518465} 48.Bd6 {+0.67/25 1319 25328395} Bd5 {-0.35/30 772 5509856}
49.Ke5 {+0.67/24 974 18294460} Bc4 {-0.36/69 660 4775981} 50.Kf6 {+0.67/25 975 18439036} Kf2 {-0.36/30 969 7462557}
51.Bf4 {+0.67/25 976 19766501} Bd3 {-0.36/35 719 5179382} 52.Ke6 {+0.67/24 981 19485219} Kg2 {-0.35/32 839 6333302}
53.Kf6 {+0.67/24 976 19761264} Kf2 {-0.27/36 3225 23575771} 54.Bd2 {+0.67/24 978 20400249} Be4 {+0.00/28 724 5978801}
55.Ke5 {+0.67/24 977 20024765} Bg6 {+0.00/29 948 8368532} 56.Bf4 {+0.67/23 978 19429908} Be8 {+0.00/29 711 5537510}
57.Kf6 {+0.67/25 979 19280016} Bd7 {-0.14/31 529 3713484} 58.Ke7 {+0.67/25 988 19630012} Bh3 {-0.12/27 676 5085510}
59.Kf6 {+0.67/25 981 19606136} Kf1 {-0.04/29 746 6240640} 60.Kf7 {+0.67/25 982 19273877} Bc8 {+0.00/27 910 6951866}
61.Kf6 {+0.67/25 990 18999274} Bh3 {+0.00/33 753 5483660} 62.Kf7 {+0.67/24 983 18930606} Bd7 {+0.00/40 783 5529628}
63.Ke7 {+0.67/24 986 19462515} Ba4 {+0.00/38 1966 15498110} 64.Kf6 {+0.67/22 1317 24767914} Bd1 {+0.00/41 894 6510960}
65.Kf5 {+0.66/23 1311 24303246} Bh5 {+0.00/36 588 4223315} 66.Bc7 {+0.66/22 1296 23595558} Kg2 {+0.00/28 630 5038410}
67.Kf4 {+0.67/24 947 17911280} Bg6 {+0.00/34 1098 8113487} 68.Ba5 {+0.67/23 1272 23197552} Kf2 {+0.00/37 2546 20641549}
69.Bd2 {+0.66/23 941 17005182} Bb1 {+0.00/38 320 1902924} 70.Bb4 {+0.66/24 1260 22239348} Kf1 {+0.00/41 633 4152879}
71.Kf3 {+0.66/23 932 16623549} Ba2 {+0.00/56 657 4929733} 72.Ne2 {+0.67/25 1259 22652894} Bd5+ {+0.00/45 821 5877984}
73.Ke3 {+0.67/24 925 17250616} Bc4 {+0.00/38 701 4798712} 74.Nd4 {+0.66/24 1242 23613427} Ba2 {+0.00/43 855 6203388}
75.Ke4 {+0.66/24 914 15909384} Kg1 {+0.00/41 929 6662716} 76.Nf3+ {+0.66/24 1237 23171672} Kg2 {+0.00/41 835 6195440}
77.Ne5 {+0.66/24 919 16692783} Kf2 {+0.00/41 869 6171503} 78.Nd3+ {+0.67/23 1233 21326442} Kg3 {+0.00/36 843 4700886}
79.Be1+ {+0.66/21 1210 20263922} Kg4 {+0.00/39 869 6131474} 80.Nf2+ {+0.57/18 1197 20045320} Kg5 {+0.00/35 968 6566077}
81.Ke5 {+0.62/17 1187 19303421} Bb1 {+0.00/34 1009 6866500} 82.Ba5 {+0.62/16 1177 20571056} Bg6 {+0.00/35 952 6578473}
83.Bc3 {+0.00/19 952 17300559} Bf7 {+0.00/33 923 6368585} 84.Nd3 {+0.00/23 878 17312952} Be8 {+0.00/37 973 6676236}
85.Nb4 {+0.00/26 876 19781450} Kg6 {+0.00/44 984 7637111} 86.Bd4 {+0.00/31 882 21905120} Kf7 {+0.00/47 986 7783267}
87.Kd6 {+0.00/35 891 21515450} Ba4 {+0.00/66 1007 8146067} 88.Kc7 {+0.00/38 894 25176703} Bb5 {+0.00/174 955 8732569}
89.Kb6 {+0.00/43 899 26936428} Bf1 {+0.00/245 20 25725} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]