Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[Thomas Lagershausen]

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I love this guy.

[M ANSARI]

Another ridiculous chapter in this cheating scandal.

So you see nothing unusual there with the Chessbase Let's Check results? You think it is all gossip and should not be mentioned? The games are out there, and the Chessbase server has crashed many times, apparently because thousands are using it to check all sort of games. If Hans cheated ... there will be a signature that is unusual. It is interesting that not many people knew about this Let's Check thing from Chessbase ... while quite a few knew how the Regan cheating detection method used by FIDE works. For me it looks like in Hans games there are points in the game where moves are played that make no sense by a player playing of such a high level ... thus a deliberate attempt at obfuscation so that they can pass the Regan algo or other anti cheating algos. Problem for a cheater though ... is that those games are already out there and it is not too difficult to run them en masse in a way that might make even obfuscation ... not good enough. Remember that Chessbase never really was at the forefront of chess cheating and the software mentioned really wasn't designed to catch cheaters. However Chess.com has put in an enormous effort to catch cheaters and I am sure that it is a lot more sophisticated than the Let's Check by Chessbase. Even Hans admitted that Chess.com has a very good anti cheating system as they caught him several times ... apparently other websites like Lichess were not as good. I would be interested if Chess.com will come out with something soon. I have a feeling they have something much more incriminating than Chessbase software. Most people assume that Chess.com system only works for online cheating ... but after seeing the Let's Check feature from Chessbase ... I have a feeling it works on OTB games as well. Anyway let's see what happens. Remember it took over 5 years for Lance Armstrong to get caught ... but eventually he did get caught. I am trying to think of how Hans would do as a guest on Oprah

[M ANSARI]

I just looked at my profile and it seems I joined in 2006 !!! Holy crap I feel old. Anyway I do remember a similar discussion a while back and I did post this on another thread. Anyone here old enough to remember this heated thread ??

forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50622&hilit=Ivanov+cheating

[AdminX]

I just looked at my profile and it seems I joined in 2006 !!! Holy crap I feel old. Anyway I do remember a similar discussion a while back and I did post this on another thread. Anyone here old enough to remember this heated thread ??

forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50622&hilit=Ivanov+cheating

Years later and FIDE is still reactive, rather than proactive.

[dkappe]

Another ridiculous chapter in this cheating scandal.

So you see nothing unusual there with the Chessbase Let's Check results? You think it is all gossip and should not be mentioned? The games are out there, and the Chessbase server has crashed many times, apparently because thousands are using it to check all sort of games. If Hans cheated ... there will be a signature that is unusual. It is interesting that not many people knew about this Let's Check thing from Chessbase ... while quite a few knew how the Regan cheating detection method used by FIDE works. For me it looks like in Hans games there are points in the game where moves are played that make no sense by a player playing of such a high level ... thus a deliberate attempt at obfuscation so that they can pass the Regan algo or other anti cheating algos. Problem for a cheater though ... is that those games are already out there and it is not too difficult to run them en masse in a way that might make even obfuscation ... not good enough. Remember that Chessbase never really was at the forefront of chess cheating and the software mentioned really wasn't designed to catch cheaters. However Chess.com has put in an enormous effort to catch cheaters and I am sure that it is a lot more sophisticated than the Let's Check by Chessbase. Even Hans admitted that Chess.com has a very good anti cheating system as they caught him several times ... apparently other websites like Lichess were not as good. I would be interested if Chess.com will come out with something soon. I have a feeling they have something much more incriminating than Chessbase software. Most people assume that Chess.com system only works for online cheating ... but after seeing the Let's Check feature from Chessbase ... I have a feeling it works on OTB games as well. Anyway let's see what happens. Remember it took over 5 years for Lance Armstrong to get caught ... but eventually he did get caught. I am trying to think of how Hans would do as a guest on Oprah

There’s apparently a quite long and tactical Kasparov win that has a 100% match. Why? High profile game, high profile players, lots of users running their engines on it.

[dkappe]

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I love this guy.

+1

[CornfedForever]

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I love this guy.

+1

"First of all, the train's dying - lets go people!"
What? Is he referring to the crawler at the bottom...pulling all the...I guess donations people are sending him?

SO reminds me of the late 'great' Dr. Gene Scott.

BOY would he get angry when the 'incoming' started to slow down.

[Chessqueen]

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I love this guy.

+1

I really do NOT believe that if a player rated around the same rating as GM Hans by getting only 1 or 2 moves from a top engine that it is sufficient to beat Carlsen, therefore he either has a sophisticated device that can give him several winning moves or he really has advanced from 2688+ to over 2770 during the Covi19 as he mentioned that he lived inside of a shoebox just learning and improving his chess. Ass I recall reading in Chessbase india there has been a few teenagers that their rating skyrocketed by at least 130 rating points during the Covi-19 Era such as GM Gukesh GM Arjun and GM Pragg to mention a few, therefore it is NOT only GM Hans. Back in March 2021 during the peak season of Covi-19 GM Hans was only rated 2526 https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596/chart

[CornfedForever]

Here is a adult opnion from an insider of professional chess.



I love this guy.

+1

"First of all, the train's dying - lets go people!"
What? Is he referring to the crawler at the bottom...pulling all the...I guess donations people are sending him?

SO reminds me of the late 'great' Dr. Gene Scott.

BOY would he get angry when the 'incoming' started to slow down.

Oh...and then towards the end he says "we make money off it" because "you guys" take yourself too seriously. Priceless...

[syzygy]

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I love this guy.

I do not agree that there is 0% possiblity that Magnus would have withdrawn from the tournament if he had beaten Niemann. If Magnus had won but had still been convinced that Niemann was cheating, I believe he would have withdrawn from the tournament anyway, or at least have seriously considered it (-> non-zero possibility).

I also do not think Magnus was lying when he wrote that he had considered withdrawing from the tournament the moment he had been told Niemann would take part.

I do not know the truth about Niemann, but if he is impersonating a 2700 player, that is a very serious matter for the chess sport.