Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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M ANSARI wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:34 am
M ANSARI wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:49 am Carlsen looks like he has COVID or a really bad cold or flu. His play has been way below par and he was completely lost against Keymar and no way should he have won against Vidit. The game against Keymar was especially interesting as it really shows how weak humans are tactically in complicated positions. Compared to engines I would say that even the top humans in complicated positions ... probably calculate only as good as a 2300 to 2400 ELO engine if they are not given huge amount of time. Another game that shows that is Gukesh loss against Abussatarov ... what a complicated position that was also right out of the opening.
Sure, Most people here like you believe that Carlsen can only lose if he is NOT feeling okay or maybe he has covi-19 or a really bad flu. But you are not giving this Young 19 years old GM Arjun any credit who was only rated around 2559 before covi-19 started and now is placed 21st among the best chess players on Planet Earth. In March 2020, just before the start of the pandemic, Arjun Erigaisi had a 2559 Elo rating. Two and a half years later, he finds himself as the 21st highest-rated player in the world with 2728 rating points to his name. I predicted this 4 days ago GM Arjun beating Carlsen, 2 to 3 years from NOW India will have a World Chess Champion, like I stated before most chess players in the World are studying Magnus Carlsen games carefully with top engines and trying to improve with new lines and variations suggested by top engines[/size] ==>
https://en.chessbase.com/post/aimchess-rapid-2022-d2

I have no idea where you get your information from but I actually am very impressed by all the new young Indian talent and have always been. Unlike with the american Hans Nieman ... they are the REAL DEAL. As far as I know, not a single one of them was ever caught cheating online and their statistical data does not have any ragiing anomalies pointing to cheating like Hans Nieman has. I think MC is also very impressed by them and enjoys the new challenges they give him. What you seem to not understand is that this whole thing is not about young and upcoming GMs playing really well ... this historically has happened over and over again and will continue to happen. This thread is more about one specific player who is an admitted serial cheater online and seems like he is a cheater over the board as well. You are trying to somehow equate Hans Nieman to all these talented young indian prodigies ... that is disgusting.
There is no doubts or questions that Champions are the players that most inspiring young players study their games, I remembered back during the times of Bobby Fisher there was a BIG BOOM in chess around 1972 thru 1980 after Fischer beat Spassky, Kids all over the USA were playing Chess and lots of men learned how to play chess to impress people around them simply because they wanted to be called smarts. :roll:
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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If you believe you are the best chess player in the world you have to find a reason why you fail.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Henk wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:53 pm If you believe you are the best chess player in the world you have to find a reason why you fail.
It is Known for professional athletes to always look for excuses when they do NOT performed as expected. Excuses are a part of being human. We all make excuses. When it comes to athletes, we hold them to a higher standard. Competition—sports—have no use for excuses. These are recommendations for Carlsen to think about, before he decide to make any future accusations. Carlsen needs to be aware of his self-talk when he compete, he should objectively evaluate his bad performance in terms of what he did or didn’t do. Carlsen needs to take responsibility for his games make improvement instead of making excuses, or simply just say I am getting a little bit old or I am out of form. He must commit to stop making excuses for his bad performances lately. :shock:



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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm When it comes to athletes, we hold them to a higher standard.
I like to think I hold myself to a higher standard.
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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[Event "USA Championship 2022"]
[Site "Saint Louis"]
[Date "2022.10.17"]
[Round "11.5"]
[White "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Black "Lenderman, Aleksandr"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D11"]
[WhiteElo "2699"]
[BlackElo "2535"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2022.09.05"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/5400+30:1800+30"]

1. d4 {337} d5 {4} 2. c4 {8} c6 {4} 3. Nf3 {8} Nf6 {4} 4. e3 {72} Bg4 {4} 5. Nc3 {172} e6 {86} 6. h3 {45} Bh5 {5} 7. g4 {31} Bg6 {3} 8. Ne5 {12} Nbd7 {9} 9. Nxg6 {25} hxg6 {5} 10. g5 {6} Ne4 {6} 11. Nxe4 {6} dxe4 {4} 12. h4 {8} Bb4+ {4} 13. Bd2 {6} Qa5 {62} 14. a3 {39} Bxd2+ {5} 15. Qxd2 {4} Qxd2+ {6} 16. Kxd2 {5} f5 {7} 17. c5 {29} Ke7 {55} 18. b4 {22} Rad8 {42} 19. Kc3 {23} e5 {8} 20. Bc4 {179} exd4+ {55} 21. exd4 {6} Nf8 {6} 22. f3 {104} exf3 {511} 23. Raf1 {35} Kd7 {269} 24. Rxf3 {21} Ne6 {33} 25. Re1 {62} Nc7 {138} 26. Rh3 {1148} Rde8 {256} 27. Rxe8 {66} Kxe8 {77} 28. a4 {48} Kd7 {812} 29. b5 {401} Ne6 {187} 30. Kb4 {232} Nf4 {160} 31. Rh2 {255} Kc7 {367} 32. a5 {143} cxb5 {327} 33. Bxb5 {12} a6 {414} 34. Ba4 {26} Ne6 {275} 35. d5 {82} Nxg5 {31} 36. d6+ {8} Kd8 {279} 37. c6 {210} bxc6 {41} 38. Kc5 {7} f4 {778} 39. Rb2 {551} Ne6+ {27} 40. Kxc6 {15} Nd4+ {9} 41. Kd5 {1807} Nb5 {1807} 42. Bxb5 {4} axb5 {18} 43. Kc6 {7} Ke8 {210} 44. Kc7 {17} Kf7 {4} 45. d7 {3} 1-0
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Eduard wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:23 pm [pgn][Event "USA Championship 2022"]
[Site "Saint Louis"]
[Date "2022.10.17"]
[Round "11.5"]
[White "Niemann, Hans Moke"]
[Black "Lenderman, Aleksandr"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D11"]
[WhiteElo "2699"]
[BlackElo "2535"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2022.09.05"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/5400+30:1800+30"]

1. d4 {337} d5 {4} 2. c4 {8} c6 {4} 3. Nf3 {8} Nf6 {4} 4. e3 {72} Bg4 {4} 5. Nc3 {172} e6 {86} 6. h3 {45} Bh5 {5} 7. g4 {31} Bg6 {3} 8. Ne5 {12} Nbd7 {9} 9. Nxg6 {25} hxg6 {5} 10. g5 {6} Ne4 {6} 11. Nxe4 {6} dxe4 {4} 12. h4 {8} Bb4+ {4} 13. Bd2 {6} Qa5 {62} 14. a3 {39} Bxd2+ {5} 15. Qxd2 {4} Qxd2+ {6} 16. Kxd2 {5} f5 {7} 17. c5 {29} Ke7 {55} 18. b4 {22} Rad8 {42} 19. Kc3 {23} e5 {8} 20. Bc4 {179} exd4+ {55} 21. exd4 {6} Nf8 {6} 22. f3 {104} exf3 {511} 23. Raf1 {35} Kd7 {269} 24. Rxf3 {21} Ne6 {33} 25. Re1 {62} Nc7 {138} 26. Rh3 {1148} Rde8 {256} 27. Rxe8 {66} Kxe8 {77} 28. a4 {48} Kd7 {812} 29. b5 {401} Ne6 {187} 30. Kb4 {232} Nf4 {160} 31. Rh2 {255} Kc7 {367} 32. a5 {143} cxb5 {327} 33. Bxb5 {12} a6 {414} 34. Ba4 {26} Ne6 {275} 35. d5 {82} Nxg5 {31} 36. d6+ {8} Kd8 {279} 37. c6 {210} bxc6 {41} 38. Kc5 {7} f4 {778} 39. Rb2 {551} Ne6+ {27} 40. Kxc6 {15} Nd4+ {9} 41. Kd5 {1807} Nb5 {1807} 42. Bxb5 {4} axb5 {18} 43. Kc6 {7} Ke8 {210} 44. Kc7 {17} Kf7 {4} 45. d7 {3} 1-0[/pgn]
That was a nice game played by a 2700+ active player, I just hope that it was CLEAN with no help from any engine, we need to analyze it with centipawns. When Niemann was only 17 years old he beat Carlsen by taking advantage of one of his primer, but with only 1 minute on their clocks without increment it is very hard to make the engine moves without losing on time. :lol: :mrgreen: :shock: Here is the game
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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CornfedForever wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:22 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm When it comes to athletes, we hold them to a higher standard.
I like to think I hold myself to a higher standard.
Now Carlsen is accusing either GM Arjun, GM Gukesh or both of cheating, poor Magnus with his excuses after losing, GM Carlsen is creating Chess Drama
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:18 am
CornfedForever wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:22 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm When it comes to athletes, we hold them to a higher standard.
I like to think I hold myself to a higher standard.
Now Carlsen is accusing either GM Arjun, GM Gukesh or both of cheating, poor Magnus with his excuses after losing, GM Carlsen is creating Chess Drama
I haven't seen any confirmation that Magnus made such accusations or withdrew as Ben said, I think Ben Finegold was just being sarcastic, making the point that you can say any nonsense you want on the internet and some people will believe it. As far as I know, Magnus has never accused anyone other than Niemann of cheating. Is there any real evidence that Magnus looks for excuses (other than his own form/health etc.) for losses, other than to Niemann?
Komodo rules!
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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lkaufman wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:45 am
Chessqueen wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:18 am
CornfedForever wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:22 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm When it comes to athletes, we hold them to a higher standard.
I like to think I hold myself to a higher standard.
Now Carlsen is accusing either GM Arjun, GM Gukesh or both of cheating, poor Magnus with his excuses after losing, GM Carlsen is creating Chess Drama
I haven't seen any confirmation that Magnus made such accusations or withdrew as Ben said, I think Ben Finegold was just being sarcastic, making the point that you can say any nonsense you want on the internet and some people will believe it. As far as I know, Magnus has never accused anyone other than Niemann of cheating. Is there any real evidence that Magnus looks for excuses (other than his own form/health etc.) for losses, other than to Niemann?
Don't 'feed the animals' Larry. :wink:
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:18 am Now Carlsen is accusing either GM Arjun, GM Gukesh or both of cheating, poor Magnus with his excuses after losing, GM Carlsen is creating Chess Drama
You didn't even watch the video up to 1:30 before you made this post :lol: