Hans Niemann

[Eelco de Groot]

It even made it to some of the main news channels here:

https://www.nu.nl/sport-overig/6278504/ ... -duel.html

[CornfedForever]

I guess this is Magnus' way of apologizing...or at least admitting he was wrong to imply what everyone knows he was implying? Or as close as we will ever get to it.


https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/che ... ew_comment


“I acknowledge and understand Chess.com’s report, including its statement that there is no determinative evidence that Niemann cheated in his game against me at the Sinquefield Cup. I am willing to play Niemann in future events, should we be paired together.” - Magnus Carlsen

Wow!

This is close to looking like an apology.

Game over.

Yes...and kinda looks like carefully worded attorney talk.

[Collingwood]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

In the Uralsk Open, Niemann lost with the Black pieces against a 2366-elo FM.

(True, he also had wins against 2602- and 2603-elo GMs.)

Dude plays A LOT...it's going to happen. He's not in the 'elite circle' who mostly just play one another tourney after tourney.

How many classical games has he played since the controversy erupted?

Ding and Carlsen have both had streaks of over 100 classical games against very strong opposition without a single loss.

The elo calculation will be whatever it is... but, for the gut test, I'd expect that if someone is going to lose classical games against 2350- and 2450-elo players, he should also win occasionally against 2650- and 2700-elo players. (My gut would expect that even for a 2600-elo player, let alone a 2700-elo player.) Has he done that? I have seen wins against 2600-elo players... Or do no really strong players play in the Opens Niemann plays in?

[CornfedForever]

I have seen wins against 2600-elo players... Or do no really strong players play in the Opens Niemann plays in?

You have not defined "really strong". If you mean those truly top players who play 'n the circuit' so to speak...no not really. You largely see the same ol' faces, tourney after tourney, playing the same players over and over again. That's where the big money is.

A mere 2700 player does not normally get the invites to play in those...and (at least until now) not one named 'Hans' if they might want to offer an invitation to another named Magnus. But...our long national nightmare (no I don't mean Trump) appears to be over. Let the good times roll!

[Collingwood]

I have seen wins against 2600-elo players... Or do no really strong players play in the Opens Niemann plays in?

You have not defined "really strong".

Well, start off with 2650s and 2700s. As I said, on a gut level I'd expect at least occasional wins against those to "offset" his losses against 2350s and 2450s.

[swami]

I guess this is Magnus' way of apologizing...or at least admitting he was wrong to imply what everyone knows he was implying? Or as close as we will ever get to it.


https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/che ... ew_comment


“I acknowledge and understand Chess.com’s report, including its statement that there is no determinative evidence that Niemann cheated in his game against me at the Sinquefield Cup. I am willing to play Niemann in future events, should we be paired together.” - Magnus Carlsen

Wow!

This is close to looking like an apology.

Game over.

It's not just "close", "looking like"

It's an apology without altruism.

[Chessqueen]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

In the Uralsk Open, Niemann lost with the Black pieces against a 2366-elo FM.

(True, he also had wins against 2602- and 2603-elo GMs.)

Well Well my friend Carlsen also lost to IM Ostmoe a 2466 rated player, that is an Elo difference of 419 much greater than when he lost against Niemann 2885 - 2466 but he did not accused him of Cheating ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWhhs4DIzSs
NOTE: Hans Niemman is rate above 2667 Only a difference 218 ==>https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596

[swami]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

In the Uralsk Open, Niemann lost with the Black pieces against a 2366-elo FM.

(True, he also had wins against 2602- and 2603-elo GMs.)

Well Well my friend Carlsen also lost to a 2466 rated player, that is an Elo difference of 400 at least much greater than when he lost against Niemann but he did not accused him of Cheating ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWhhs4DIzSs

If 2750 players start playing open events that's without any rating restriction, good number of them would lose few games against 2400 rated, especially upcoming younger players. This has happened way too often with 2600-2650's.

It's just that 2750 get to play only closed invitational tournaments to stay in the limelight, and safeguard their ratings.

[Chessqueen]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

In the Uralsk Open, Niemann lost with the Black pieces against a 2366-elo FM.

(True, he also had wins against 2602- and 2603-elo GMs.)

Well Well my friend Carlsen also lost to a 2472 rated player, that is an Elo difference of 412 at least much greater than when he lost against Niemann but he did not accused him of Cheating ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWhhs4DIzSs

If 2750 players start playing open events that's without any rating restriction, good number of them would lose few games against 2400 rated, especially upcoming younger players. This has happened way too often with 2600-2650's.

It's just that 2750 get to play only closed invitational tournaments to stay in the limelight, and safeguard their ratings.

Yes, but you did NOT see that the differece playing against GM Niemann rated 2667 is only 218 whereas against IM Ostmoe is 412 Elo ==>==>https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596
IM Ostmoes rating is only 2472==> https://ratings.fide.com/profile/1502778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWhhs4DIzSs

[CornfedForever]

So, I see a video by Robert Ris online and he shows two very recent online games.

Kramnik and Niemann played a game. As Black, Niemann played a Berlin defense...well (nice Bishop offer at the end), and won.
If I get this right, a rematch was offered...not sure whom offered but It went like this, Kramnik as Black: 1.e4 f6, Hans thought for about 20 sec and played 2.d4 to which Kramnik played 2...g5.

Neimann feeling trolled...resigned rather than accepting the mate.

Bad sportsmanship.