Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/KorV9oRr"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "17:49:35"]
[WhiteElo "2030"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 d5 3. f4 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. c3 e5 6. fxe5 Ne4 7. Bd3 f5 8. exf6 Nxf6 9. Qc2 Bd6 10. O-O Bc7 11. e4 dxe4 12. Bxe4 O-O 13. Bxc6 bxc6 14. dxc5 Ba6 15. Re1 Rae8 16. Nbd2 Rxe1+ 17. Nxe1 g5 18. h3 g4 19. hxg4 Nxg4 20. Nef3 Rd8 21. Nf1 Rf8 22. Bg5 Ne5 23. Nxe5 Bxe5 24. Be3 Bxf1 25. Rxf1 Bh2+ 26. Kxh2 Rxf1 27. Bf2 Rxf2 28. Qxf2 Kg7 29. Qf5 a5 30. Qe6 a4 31. Qxc6 a3 32. b4 Kf7 33. Qa4 Ke6 34. Qxa3 Ke5 35. Qb3 h5 36. c4 h4 37. a4 h3 38. Kxh3 Ke4 39. b5 Kf5 40. Qb4 Ke4 41. c6 Kd3 42. c5 Ke3 43. b6 Kd3 44. a5 Ke3 45. a6 Kd3 46. c7 Ke3 47. c6 Ke2 48. Qb5+ Ke3 49. b7 Kd2 50. a7 Ke3 51. c8=Q Kd2 52. c7 Ke3 53. Qce8+ Kd2 54. Qd5+ Kc3 55. c8=Q+ Kb2 56. b8=Q+ Ka1 57. a8=Q# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/KorV9oRr"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "17:49:35"]
[WhiteElo "2030"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 d5 3. f4 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. c3 e5 6. fxe5 Ne4 7. Bd3 f5 8. exf6 Nxf6 9. Qc2 Bd6 10. O-O Bc7 11. e4 dxe4 12. Bxe4 O-O 13. Bxc6 bxc6 14. dxc5 Ba6 15. Re1 Rae8 16. Nbd2 Rxe1+ 17. Nxe1 g5 18. h3 g4 19. hxg4 Nxg4 20. Nef3 Rd8 21. Nf1 Rf8 22. Bg5 Ne5 23. Nxe5 Bxe5 24. Be3 Bxf1 25. Rxf1 Bh2+ 26. Kxh2 Rxf1 27. Bf2 Rxf2 28. Qxf2 Kg7 29. Qf5 a5 30. Qe6 a4 31. Qxc6 a3 32. b4 Kf7 33. Qa4 Ke6 34. Qxa3 Ke5 35. Qb3 h5 36. c4 h4 37. a4 h3 38. Kxh3 Ke4 39. b5 Kf5 40. Qb4 Ke4 41. c6 Kd3 42. c5 Ke3 43. b6 Kd3 44. a5 Ke3 45. a6 Kd3 46. c7 Ke3 47. c6 Ke2 48. Qb5+ Ke3 49. b7 Kd2 50. a7 Ke3 51. c8=Q Kd2 52. c7 Ke3 53. Qce8+ Kd2 54. Qd5+ Kc3 55. c8=Q+ Kb2 56. b8=Q+ Ka1 57. a8=Q# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

[Uri Blass]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

In this case it means that the average human chess player is better than most people who play chess because I know that I can beat most people who know the rules without my queen and I believe that I can also beat most humans who know the chess rules without a queen and 2 rooks.

I have some experience in doing it against humans in a real board with no time limit and not only against children.

Of course adults who are too weak not to lose against me in these conditions do not play in chess tournaments but based on my experience in most cases it is not something easy to teach them to beat me.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

In this case it means that the average human chess player is better than most people who play chess because I know that I can beat most people who know the rules without my queen and I believe that I can also beat most humans who know the chess rules without a queen and 2 rooks.

I have some experience in doing it against humans in a real board with no time limit and not only against children.

Of course adults who are too weak not to lose against me in these conditions do not play in chess tournaments but based on my experience in most cases it is not something easy to teach them to beat me.

I suppose he was talking about the average online player (1500 lichess blitz or 1200 chess.com blitz), although even then I think it is incorrect for 3'0" chess. For huge odds like queen odds, the result depends mostly on the elo of the receiver, so even Leela at say 3600 won't do a lot better than Magnus or Hikaru. Hikaru actually did a 3'0" queen odds run on chess.com and won the final game against a player rated slightly over 2000, although I think he recognized that it was a fluke and wouldn't expect to get a 2000 rating playing that way, maybe more like 1800 or so. But at longer time limits like Rapid it would be much lower, maybe 1500 Lichess or so, i.e. about the average. But for smaller handicaps like knight odds, the difference between what the engine can achieve and what Magnus or Hikaru can do is huge; in blitz it looks likely from the results that the LeelaKnightOdds bot can actually give Magnus or Hikaru knight odds at about 3'2" blitz and come out about even, though extrapolating from results against players around 2500 FIDE level is risky.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

In this case it means that the average human chess player is better than most people who play chess because I know that I can beat most people who know the rules without my queen and I believe that I can also beat most humans who know the chess rules without a queen and 2 rooks.

I have some experience in doing it against humans in a real board with no time limit and not only against children.

Of course adults who are too weak not to lose against me in these conditions do not play in chess tournaments but based on my experience in most cases it is not something easy to teach them to beat me.

I suppose he was talking about the average online player (1500 lichess blitz or 1200 chess.com blitz), although even then I think it is incorrect for 3'0" chess. For huge odds like queen odds, the result depends mostly on the elo of the receiver, so even Leela at say 3600 won't do a lot better than Magnus or Hikaru. Hikaru actually did a 3'0" queen odds run on chess.com and won the final game against a player rated slightly over 2000, although I think he recognized that it was a fluke and wouldn't expect to get a 2000 rating playing that way, maybe more like 1800 or so. But at longer time limits like Rapid it would be much lower, maybe 1500 Lichess or so, i.e. about the average. But for smaller handicaps like knight odds, the difference between what the engine can achieve and what Magnus or Hikaru can do is huge; in blitz it looks likely from the results that the LeelaKnightOdds bot can actually give Magnus or Hikaru knight odds at about 3'2" blitz and come out about even, though extrapolating from results against players around 2500 FIDE level is risky.

Mr. Larry Kaufman. From my perception, let alone from my intuition, because perceiving is in some way the science of feeling, the OddsKnight are very powerful. The beast (the computer) continues to be a superior ribal in this Odds. The speed in this war means that the use of force resources used is only a partial inventory. On the other hand, QueenOdds communicates two worlds that are forced to work hard to achieve their goals. The Odds are a catalyst that gives coherence and meaning to unequal struggles that make them balanced.

I have been meditating on Mr. Uri Blass's post and I have found deep meaning in his story and anecdotes; Let's see: Uri has shown us another niche of warriors, where the mysteries of human thought have some inscrutable and very interesting variables. QueenOdds without game clock, or RoocksOdds without clock. I would think it very useful to try to understand the game of chess in the variables that Uri exemplifies. We are facing another complex universe where neurons work for a common goal: "Win." Exemplifying by analogy with the New York Marathon: "Running and participating in the NYC marathon is already an extraordinary achievement in itself. The runner who finishes it has achieved a feat, very few humans can run it. Now, in the table of results Age demographic items are essential, and each participant is the protagonist of their own story, behind the ideal of being an official finisher. The Odds are a catalyst that gives deep coherence to the science game.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

In this case it means that the average human chess player is better than most people who play chess because I know that I can beat most people who know the rules without my queen and I believe that I can also beat most humans who know the chess rules without a queen and 2 rooks.

I have some experience in doing it against humans in a real board with no time limit and not only against children.

Of course adults who are too weak not to lose against me in these conditions do not play in chess tournaments but based on my experience in most cases it is not something easy to teach them to beat me.

I suppose he was talking about the average online player (1500 lichess blitz or 1200 chess.com blitz), although even then I think it is incorrect for 3'0" chess. For huge odds like queen odds, the result depends mostly on the elo of the receiver, so even Leela at say 3600 won't do a lot better than Magnus or Hikaru. Hikaru actually did a 3'0" queen odds run on chess.com and won the final game against a player rated slightly over 2000, although I think he recognized that it was a fluke and wouldn't expect to get a 2000 rating playing that way, maybe more like 1800 or so. But at longer time limits like Rapid it would be much lower, maybe 1500 Lichess or so, i.e. about the average. But for smaller handicaps like knight odds, the difference between what the engine can achieve and what Magnus or Hikaru can do is huge; in blitz it looks likely from the results that the LeelaKnightOdds bot can actually give Magnus or Hikaru knight odds at about 3'2" blitz and come out about even, though extrapolating from results against players around 2500 FIDE level is risky.

Mr. Larry Kaufman. From my perception, let alone from my intuition, because perceiving is in some way the science of feeling, the OddsKnight are very powerful. The beast (the computer) continues to be a superior ribal in this Odds. The speed in this war means that the use of force resources used is only a partial inventory. On the other hand, QueenOdds communicates two worlds that are forced to work hard to achieve their goals. The Odds are a catalyst that gives coherence and meaning to unequal struggles that make them balanced.

I have been meditating on Mr. Uri Blass's post and I have found deep meaning in his story and anecdotes; Let's see: Uri has shown us another niche of warriors, where the mysteries of human thought have some inscrutable and very interesting variables. QueenOdds without game clock, or RoocksOdds without clock. I would think it very useful to try to understand the game of chess in the variables that Uri exemplifies. We are facing another complex universe where neurons work for a common goal: "Win." Exemplifying by analogy with the New York Marathon: "Running and participating in the NYC marathon is already an extraordinary achievement in itself. The runner who finishes it has achieved a feat, very few humans can run it. Now, in the table of results Age demographic items are essential, and each participant is the protagonist of their own story, behind the ideal of being an official finisher. The Odds are a catalyst that gives deep coherence to the science game.

For me, Odds make the most sense in the spread of computers, only if we are certain that the player who has the fewest gaming skills is a super elite super player. And from this formulation a balance must be sought.

[Paloma]

Citation World champion

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

1.733 / 5.000
Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just a few minutes ago, I finished my first match against "LeelaQueenOdds". I played ten matches, and the final result was the following: 6 points to the computer, 4 points to me. The computer won 5 matches against me, I won 3 matches against the computer, and there were two draws. I mistakenly believed that it would be a simple matter to beat the computer. But nothing could be further from the truth. I played the games with a 3-minute time control. The computer knocked me out four times in a row... I went into a deep shock. I was then forced to make a quick change of strategy, using all my experience. A round of only ten matches, and I was defeated four times. !! I asked myself what to do against this beast, who without legs and without one of its hands was annihilating me!! So, game number five was my first win, game number six a draw, game number seven my second win, game number eight a draw, game number nine represented the tragedy of my fifth loss, and game number ten represented my third win. If we divide the tournament into two stages, game number one to game number four shows a computer that takes me by surprise. And game number four to game ten, a modification of my flexible thinking, which gives a favorable result in my favor of four against two. But... I lost. Nothing to say, and instead, a lot to thank the creators of this ODDS for. Without a doubt, I recommend this odds. The reason is simple... it allows us to play chess, to improve ourselves, and it gives us the joy of playing against someone better than the human world champion, who gives us the opportunity without his queen, to play chess. Thank you.

...The sun that gives us light and life rises to the heavens. Today I have understood that we can be better, move forward, progress and evolve as human beings. Yesterday ending the day at night I lost 6-4. Today at the beginning of the day I beat the computer 7-3. I have tamed the furious horse, now it is time to ride the cybernetic horse. Our strategic thinking makes the conquering steed tame. Man and machine heading towards the north and ideals, crossing the seven seas. My Father and Catecan will conquer the world.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MtU1NIXV"]
[Date "2024.10.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.24"]
[UTCTime "12:01:04"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. a3 c6 4. e4 dxc4 5. dxc4 e5 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. h3 a5 8. Be3 b6 9. Nf3 Nbd7 10. Rd1 Qc7 11. g4 h6 12. Rg1 Be7 13. Bd3 Ba6 14. b3 Bxa3 15. Ke2 Bc5 16. Bd2 Bb4 17. Ke3 Rd8 18. Bc2 Nc5 19. Ne2 Rxd2 20. Nxd2 Ke7 21. Nf3 Rd8 22. Rxd8 Qxd8 23. Rd1 Qc7 24. Bb1 g5 25. Ng3 Kf8 26. h4 Nxg4+ 27. Ke2 f6 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh1 Kg8 30. Nh5 Qf7 31. Kf1 Ne6 32. Bd3 Nf4 33. Nxf4 exf4 34. e5 Nxe5 35. Nxe5 fxe5 36. Bh7+ Qxh7 37. Rxh7 Kxh7 38. Ke2 Kg6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40. Ke4 Bb7 41. c5 Bxc5 42. b4 axb4 43. Kd3 Ba6+ 44. Kc2 g4 45. Kb3 e4 46. Kc2 Bb5 47. Kb3 Ke5 48. Kc2 Bxf2 49. Kb3 Bc5 50. Kc2 e3 51. Kb2 f3 52. Kc2 g3 53. Kb2 Kf4 54. Kc2 Bd4 55. Kb3 c5 56. Ka2 Bc4+ 57. Kb1 b5 58. Kc2 b3+ 59. Kb1 e2 60. Kc1 Ke3 61. Kb1 f2 62. Kc1 g2 63. Kb1 e1=N 64. Kc1 f1=N 65. Kb1 g1=N 66. Kc1 b2+ 67. Kb1 Bd3+ 68. Ka2 b1=Q+ 69. Ka3 b4+ 70. Ka4 b3 71. Ka5 b2 72. Kb6 c4+ 73. Kc6 c3 74. Kd7 c2 75. Ke7 c1=N 76. Kd7 Qa1 77. Ke7 b1=N 78. Kf7 Qa7+ 79. Kf8 Bc5+ 80. Kg8 Bc4+ 81. Kh8 Bd4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

Note that right now, only the knight odds bot is specifically trained for odds, but it is likely that the other bots will be updated very soon to use the net trained for knight odds, as it seems to be stronger than the normal version even at larger odds. So once the switch is made, expect it to get even harder to win at queen odds!

... A question. Let's imagine an open tournament with about 200 participants. One of the 200 players is leelaOddsQueen. In the imaginary scenario, there are 5 grandmasters, 10 international masters, 30 top-class players, and 155 players of all kinds; The time control, 3 minutes per game, and 8 hours straight in the masnau. I wonder? Where in the table would OddsQueen probably be? Probable Elo? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman ...

Actually, that's a very easy question to answer. There are about 75 Lichess games at 3'0" at queen odds against players with Lichess ratings in the 2000 to 2200 range, with an almost exactly even score. You are the median player and very close to the mean at 2082. So therefore the expected Lichess blitz rating at queen odds should be very close to 2082. Now to convert that to a FIDE rating, the website https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ is reliable and give 1916 FIDE as equivalent.

therefore "the queen" could mean or have a valley of 1200-1300 elo? ... This computer is certainly superior to the human world chess champion... therefore it seems that without a queen, it could statistically beat the world champion with relative ease... my score against this machine is 24.5 against 15.5 in my favor.

** Errata:
24.5
16.6
The average-strength human chess player seems to have a clear chance of success playing chess against the human world chess champion, with the champion having no queen.
- I clarify because the text was ambiguous.

In this case it means that the average human chess player is better than most people who play chess because I know that I can beat most people who know the rules without my queen and I believe that I can also beat most humans who know the chess rules without a queen and 2 rooks.

I have some experience in doing it against humans in a real board with no time limit and not only against children.

Of course adults who are too weak not to lose against me in these conditions do not play in chess tournaments but based on my experience in most cases it is not something easy to teach them to beat me.

I suppose he was talking about the average online player (1500 lichess blitz or 1200 chess.com blitz), although even then I think it is incorrect for 3'0" chess. For huge odds like queen odds, the result depends mostly on the elo of the receiver, so even Leela at say 3600 won't do a lot better than Magnus or Hikaru. Hikaru actually did a 3'0" queen odds run on chess.com and won the final game against a player rated slightly over 2000, although I think he recognized that it was a fluke and wouldn't expect to get a 2000 rating playing that way, maybe more like 1800 or so. But at longer time limits like Rapid it would be much lower, maybe 1500 Lichess or so, i.e. about the average. But for smaller handicaps like knight odds, the difference between what the engine can achieve and what Magnus or Hikaru can do is huge; in blitz it looks likely from the results that the LeelaKnightOdds bot can actually give Magnus or Hikaru knight odds at about 3'2" blitz and come out about even, though extrapolating from results against players around 2500 FIDE level is risky.

I would like to be useful to the LeelaQueenOdds programmers to share my own experience after 138 encounters:
1- Although each session of games against the computer is affected by my biorhythm, the levels of my fatigue and my emotions, I have observed °a changing personality in the nuances of the computer's thinking°
2- Sometimes the computer's thinking has been "on the downside", however I have come to consider that it has been part of the computer's plan, that of "making itself seem crazy" to deceive us, which is typical of historical leadership techniques. in the art of war and is called precisely this way: ° The theory of the madman °.
3- I have observed that for just over 24 hours, the profiles of the algorithm are growing in their power, to the point that I went from a session in which I considered in my first 10 games that I could have won ten to zero in my favor However, today's thirty-round session represented greater difficulty for me; I admit that I was more exhausted and sometimes distracted, but even so, I feel that the computer is not the same and that it is superior to that of other previous occasions in which it was very easy for me to overcome it.
4- The final result to date in my 138 matches is 83 in my favor against 55 for the computer, which represents a superiority in my level of strength compared to LeelaQueenOdds's 142 elo, however the scoreboard carries weights that At some point I have considered delimiting a difference of 420 elo in my favor. The doubt and question I have today is if the computer will really be increasing in power or if it will once again be easy prey for me.
6- In my opinion LeelaKnightOdds could be higher than 2000 Fide