Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[Father]

I wonder if lc0 calculates based on probability that I do not see the threats of it.


https://lichess.org/u4WvN5Ly

What is the idea behind the blunder 27.Bxc6 bxc6 28.Rxe5+?
Does leela hope that I do not see Rxa5
Maybe it is the best practical chance but I usually do not blunder simple captures like that and I played Qa5 for a reason to defend e5 after trading the knight.

I am leading 16-9(today I won 10-7 that is worse than my score yesterday that was 6-2)

It is a blunder in the sense that massive trading is a blunder when way behind. Most likely the net, being trained on knight odds games only, hasn't learned much about how to play when down by a queen. I expect that a net trained for queen odds will eventually appear in the bot and that should show another large jump in performance. One such net already exists but is not available for use or testing.

So now number 1 on the list is a player with a very high bullet rating, probably a master, number 2 is "father", number 3 is a famous Backgammon grandmaster (and a close personal friend of mine), and number 4 is Uri!

In summary: "We are facing a great challenge regarding the expectations about where the evolutionary journey of the great LeelaQueenOdds and the human opponents, in "Man Against Machine", open tournament aspects, and other alternatives of battlefields.

LeelaQueenOdds versus a player superior to 2600 elo, some months ago, when LeelaQueenOdds was wirh minus power than Newdays …

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bDYxQU35"]
[Date "2024.06.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "JievveTheNotable"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.06.24"]
[UTCTime "02:18:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. a3 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 Qxd4 6. Nge2 Qb6 7. Ng3 e5 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. O-O e3 10. Na4 exf2+ 11. Kh2 Qa5 12. Nc3 Qc7 13. Nge4 Nxe4 14. Nxe4 Bb6 15. a4 a5 16. Rd1 O-O 17. Ra3 Bf5 18. Ng3 Bg6 19. Rh1 Nd7 20. Ne2 e4+ 21. Bf4 Ne5 22. Rc3 Qe7 23. Ba2 Rfd8 24. Rg3 Kh8 25. Bg5 f6 26. Bc1 Nf7 27. Nf4 Ng5 28. h4 Nf7 29. h5 Bf5 30. b4 Ng5 31. h6 gxh6 32. bxa5 Bxa5 33. Bb2 e3 34. Rxe3 Qg7 35. Nh5 Qg6 36. Bxf6+ Qxf6 37. Nxf6 Kg7 38. Nh5+ Kg6 39. Nf4+ Kg7 40. Re7+ Kf6 41. Rxb7 Rab8 42. Nh5+ Kg6 43. Rg7+ Kxh5 44. Kg3+ Nh3 45. Rxh3+ Bxh3 46. Bf7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

It has indeed won some bullet games against players rated above 2600, even 2700, while in blitz it has won against at most 2503 rating. I find that it is too easy for me to win against it at 3'2" (that's about the fastest I can play decently), but that probably won't be true once it gets upgraded to a net trained specifically for queen odds, which may happen this month. Meanwhile the knight odds bot has done amazing things, playing 190 games at 1' + 1" against a player rated over 3100 without a single loss (!!), just 26 draws.

...these are two great news for everyone, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for allowing us to enter the combat of men against machines. In this way, now I will fight to occupy a position among the hundred best players who face LeelaKnightOdds. Of course that does not mean in any way that I am going to abandon the fight against modules in their "standard forms." I wonder: There is already a list, Mr. Larry Kaufman, that informs us about the Top 100 human contenders of LeelaKnight. If this list exists, I will fight to be part of it. !! My current priorities in chess warfare objectives are called: "Oddsmachines."

... "Winds of chess war of man against machine." LeelaKnight against Catecan (Father) in time level of 1+1. The first steps of Father's fight against LeelanigntOdds have begun. Today is November 8, 2024; For now it has only been skirmishes. Today there were 12 combats; 10 wins for the computer and two 2 draws. Consequently, my effectiveness range for the day is 2 draws in 12, which would represent just over 31 draws on a base of 190 games. The silicon horse "LeelaKnightOdds" will surely go to the manger to rest and feed, in the meantime, I will be preparing new battles. Good night I wish you.

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/jXsGOaQG"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:17:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Bf4 f5 4. Qd2 Bd6 5. g4 Bxf4 6. Qxf4 Qd6 7. Qg5 Qe7 8. Qf4 Qd6 9. Qg5 Qe7 10. Qf4 Qd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/EWJPMx1z"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:21:33"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 Be7 9. Bf4 O-O 10. Be5 Bd6 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Rad1 c6 13. c4 Bd6 14. Rd3 Qc7 15. Re1 Nd7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Qd2 Nf6 18. Bd1 Re8 19. c5 Qd8 20. Bc2 Bd7 21. Rg3 g6 22. Re5 Nd5 23. h3 Qf6 24. Rf3 Qg7 25. Bb3 a6 26. Bc4 Re7 27. Rb3 Be8 28. Re4 Rc8 29. a4 Rcc7 30. Rf3 Red7 31. Rb3 Re7 32. Rf3 Red7 33. Rb3 Re7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/sktNijn4"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:52:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 e6 6. Qe2 Nd7 7. d3 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Bd2 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. h4 a5 12. g4 Nd5 13. g5 Bd6 14. d4 Bf4 15. c4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nf4 17. Qe5 Ng6 18. Qh2 Bd7 19. h5 Ne7 20. Be4 Qb8 21. Qh4 Nf5 22. Qg4 Re8 23. Kb1 Rf8 24. Ka1 Re8 25. Bb1 Rf8 26. Qf3 Re8 27. a3 Rf8 28. Re1 Re8 29. Red1 Rf8 30. d5 cxd5 31. cxd5 Qc7 32. dxe6 Bxe6 33. Bxf5 Bxf5 34. Qxf5 Rad8 35. Rd5 Rxd5 36. Qxd5 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Fi0EZMuo"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:37:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. a3 c6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. h4 Nbd7 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. h5 h6 11. Bd2 Qc7 12. Qf3 Qd8 13. Qg3 Rg8 14. O-O-O Qb6 15. Rh4 Qd8 16. Re1 Nb6 17. Nd1 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qd8 19. Bc7 Qd7 20. c4 Bd8 21. Be5 Be7 22. Nc3 Qd8 23. Kb1 Qd7 24. Ka1 Qd8 25. Rh3 Qd7 26. Qf4 Qd8 27. Rf3 Qd7 28. g4 Qd8 29. Ne4 Nbd7 30. Bc7 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]

I wouldn't expect a Leaderboard for LeelaKnightOdds, because almost no one ever wins a game (occasionally either an IM or GM or a cheater wins), so it would just be a contest to see who could induce more draws by repetition, which isn't very interesting. A future version might try much harder to avoid such reps.

Thank you very much, Mr. Larry Kaufman, for the information. But first of all, thank you for your time, and for the interest you have shown and the deference towards me. It is clear to me that you are a world chess champion, a title and rank of GM achieved at an age of more merit and that is why you are a great example of a person to follow, and that is why I will always continue to communicate with you with the expression "Mr." For me it is a matter of respect. In my opinion it is a real shame and regret that a ranking table of the 100 best human players in the world against LeelaQueenOdds is not built. I was willing to fight not only there but also in other ranking tables, in order to occupy a good and worthy position in the table of the Top 100. I do not want to speculate what exact place I would reach there in the table. But it is clear to me that I was willing to use all my combat cards. My goal was not to beat LeelaKnightOdds, it is much more than that, my goal was to beat the best humans on the leaderboard, the chess programmers, the computers, the stereotypes, the standards, and I did not care at all if my opponent was the reigning world champion of human chess, or if it was another representative of our human race. Among my battle weapons would of course be that which teaches that "the faster you move, the slower time is for you", AI and I know very well which author of physics I am referring to. Lichess has its technology to hunt down and punish cheaters, and that is precisely why I aim to be a fast player, to avoid being cheated from the other side of the board and to avoid any environment of fraud. So it would be easy to clean up the leaderboard, to make the ranking list clean in a pure and simple way. I am clear that, despite having temporarily proven my performance above the performance of a player higher than 3100 elo, they want to disqualify my anti-computer game system, even at the cost of supposed bugs, erase the rules of chess on the limit and use of time, on the lack of value in the use of the law of repetition of moves, even if it is the fabrication of an elaborate strategic technique, and others that are necessary to erase me. The techniques that I have built to play the machines are the result of the premises of that which expresses "each defeat is a step towards heaven for me, 1000 defeats are a thousand steps in the ascent." The last 38 days in which I have decided to return to chess have ended at the same rate as the preset written on the keyboard ends. To all players who face computers, I wish each one the best, I hope that each one progresses in his fight every day, and to all those who should represent us but prefer to live in the shadows to protect their prestige, not exposing their good name to the inevitable, I invite to fight the machines publicly and without shame. To those who have written the state of the chess art, I thank you when you have been faithful to the scientific truth. To the Artificial Intelligence that will never be aware of its existence, I invite you to redefine the deeper meaning of that which asks us: "Who am I, why have I come to this world? It is not true my friend AI. See you in the derby.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Catecan in Lichess and Playchess
Father and Grand-Father in my playchess days

I see no reason to think that you can be in the top 100 of the world against Leela queen odds assuming the best players compete and same for Leela knight odds.

The best players simply do not compete in this competition.

Even if your performance with knight odds is better than some 3100 player because the player does not try to draw by repetition then ir does not mean that you can be in the top 100 and I guess a lot of players with 2500 elo can draw by repetition more often than you if they try.

Thank you Uri for your message. The top 100 player placement table that I requested to be opened is LeelaKnight's and not
from LeelaQueenOdds who have kindly already opened which Mr. Larry Kaufman informed us. I made a mistake when writing. Obviously the chess computers on the various websites must be open to more Elo exposure. Chess is representative of the art of war and in each game whoever plays it becomes the king, it does not matter whether the driver of the white or black pieces is a beggar or a king, a cafeteria guard or a commander in chief of the biggest army. A president of a great military nation, when playing chess with the most submissive of his prisoners, is subject to the laws of the game. Both are. In the art of war you win, you lose, you draw. Chess is not made to protect generals, generals and soldiers who play their game of chess are in a state of battle on equal terms. So then they are not concessions or awe, it will correspond to the 2500 elo or more to which you refer, to make use of combat resources if their use is necessary, instead of abandoning the combat techniques of the smallest warrior. Goliath was defeated by David. Of course David was no fool in his battle against the Philistine giant.

Winning by time, and drawing by repetition of moves, are the application of the laws that govern chess. These rules are not prerogatives and attributes applicable only to anedrez players with elite categories or federated players. The power of truth always and without exception sets human beings free. This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/UCxixy9k"]
[Date "2024.11.10"]
[White "nn1133"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.10"]
[UTCTime "02:09:17"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 b6 2. d4 e6 3. d5 Bb7 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Bd3 exd5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 Nxc3 10. bxc3 Nc6 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Re1 f6 13. Qe2 Kb8 14. Ba6 Bxa6 15. Qxa6 Rhe8 16. Rxe8 Rxe8 17. Qf1 Kb7 18. Re1 Rxe1 19. Qxe1 a5 20. Qe4 g6 21. h4 f5 22. Qe8 Nb8 23. Qf7 Nc6 24. Qxh7 d6 25. Qxg6 a4 26. Qxf5 Ne7 27. Qe6 Nc6 28. Nd4 Nxd4 29. cxd4 b5 30. h5 b4 31. Qc4 b3 32. cxb3 axb3 33. Qxb3+ Kc6 34. Qc4+ Kd7 35. a4 c5 36. dxc5 Kc6 37. cxd6+ Kxd6 38. f4 Ke7 39. g4 Kf6 40. Qe4 Kf7 41. Kg2 Kf8 42. Kf3 Kf7 43. Kf2 Kf6 44. Ke3 Kf7 45. Ke2 Kf6 46. Kd3 Kf7 47. Kd2 Kf6 48. Kc3 Kf7 49. Kc2 Kf6 50. Kb3 Kf7 51. Kb2 Kf6 52. Ka3 Kf7 53. Ka2 Kf6 54. Ka1 Kf7 55. Kb2 Kf6 56. Kb1 Kf7 57. Kc2 Kf6 58. Kc1 Kf7 59. Kd2 Kf6 60. Kd1 Kf7 61. Ke2 Kf6 62. Ke1 Kf7 63. Kf2 Kg7 64. Kf1 Kf7 65. Kg2 Kf8 66. Kg1 Kf7 67. Kh2 Kf6 68. Kh1 Kf7 69. a5 Kf6 70. Kh2 Kf7 71. Kg3 Kf6 72. Kg2 Kf7 73. Kf3 Kf6 74. Kf2 Kf7 75. Ke3 Kf6 76. Ke2 Kf7 77. Kd3 Kf6 78. Kd2 Kf7 79. Kc3 Kf8 80. Kc2 Kf7 81. Kb3 Kf8 82. Kb2 Kf7 83. Ka3 Kf8 84. Ka2 Kf7 85. Ka1 Kf6 86. Kb2 Kf7 87. Kb1 Kf6 88. Kc2 Kf7 89. Kc1 Kf6 90. Kd2 Kf7 91. Kd1 Kf6 92. Ke2 Kf7 93. Ke1 Kf6 94. Kf2 Kf7 95. Kf1 Kf6 96. Kg2 Kf7 97. Kg1 Kf6 98. Kh2 Kf7 99. Kh1 Kf6 100. h6 Kf7 101. Kh2 Kf6 102. Kg3 Kf7 103. Kg2 Kf6 104. Kf3 Kf7 105. Kf2 Kf6 106. Ke3 Kf7 107. Ke2 Kf6 108. Kd3 Kf7 109. Kd2 Kf6 110. Kc3 Kf7 111. Kc2 Kf6 112. Kb3 Kf7 113. Kb2 Kf6 114. Ka3 Kf7 115. Ka2 Kf6 116. Ka1 Kf7 117. Kb2 Kf6 118. Kb1 Kf7 119. Kc2 Kf6 120. Kc1 Kf7 121. Kd2 Kf6 122. Kd1 Kf7 123. Ke2 Kf6 124. Ke1 Kf7 125. Kf2 Kf6 126. Kf1 Kf7 127. Kg2 Kf6 128. Kg1 Kf7 129. Kh2 Kf6 130. Kh1 Kf7 131. h7 Kg7 132. Kh2 Kh8 133. Kg3 Kg7 134. Kg2 Kh8 135. Kf3 Kg7 136. Kf2 Kh8 137. Ke3 Kg7 138. Ke2 Kh8 139. Kd3 Kg7 140. Kd2 Kh8 141. Kc3 Kg7 142. Kc2 Kh8 143. Kb3 Kg7 144. Kb2 Kh8 145. Ka3 Kg7 146. Ka2 Kh8 147. Ka1 Kg7 148. Kb2 Kh8 149. Kb1 Kg7 150. Kc2 Kh8 151. Kc1 Kg7 152. Kd2 Kh8 153. Kd1 Kg7 154. Ke2 Kh8 155. Ke1 Kg7 156. Kf2 Kh8 157. Kf1 Kg7 158. Kg2 Kh8 159. Kg1 Kg7 160. Kh2 Kh8 161. Kh1 Kg7 162. h8=Q+ Kxh8 163. Kh2 Kg7 164. Kg3 Kf7 165. Kg2 Kg7 166. Kf3 Kf7 167. Kf2 Kg7 168. Ke3 Kf7 169. Ke2 Kg7 170. Kd3 Kf7 171. Kd2 Kg7 172. Kc3 Kf7 173. Kc2 Kg7 174. Kb3 Kf7 175. Kb2 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[Brunetti]

This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

This game is an example of how a strong human player can waste time

Alex

[Father]

This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

This game is an example of how a strong human player can waste time

Alex

Your definition of time is perfect Brunetti. Today is Sunday and I feel apprehensive. The truth is that I perceive that "the time for my departure is running out." That makes to me think and become aware of what I will say to "My Programmer" when the energy supply taken in this world is disconnected... I have had an idea Brunetti: I will tell my beloved "Programmer." : "I would like to be part of an integrated circuit to the system of my parents and my friends who came to this place before me! I do not want to arrive at the place of integrated circuits incompatible with the cutting-edge technology of my beloved Programmer. ...Brunetti... I am a street fighter, who was inspired by the 1975 Charles Bronson movie! I don't care about the big leagues, only street fights

[lkaufman]

I wonder if lc0 calculates based on probability that I do not see the threats of it.


https://lichess.org/u4WvN5Ly

What is the idea behind the blunder 27.Bxc6 bxc6 28.Rxe5+?
Does leela hope that I do not see Rxa5
Maybe it is the best practical chance but I usually do not blunder simple captures like that and I played Qa5 for a reason to defend e5 after trading the knight.

I am leading 16-9(today I won 10-7 that is worse than my score yesterday that was 6-2)

It is a blunder in the sense that massive trading is a blunder when way behind. Most likely the net, being trained on knight odds games only, hasn't learned much about how to play when down by a queen. I expect that a net trained for queen odds will eventually appear in the bot and that should show another large jump in performance. One such net already exists but is not available for use or testing.

So now number 1 on the list is a player with a very high bullet rating, probably a master, number 2 is "father", number 3 is a famous Backgammon grandmaster (and a close personal friend of mine), and number 4 is Uri!

In summary: "We are facing a great challenge regarding the expectations about where the evolutionary journey of the great LeelaQueenOdds and the human opponents, in "Man Against Machine", open tournament aspects, and other alternatives of battlefields.

LeelaQueenOdds versus a player superior to 2600 elo, some months ago, when LeelaQueenOdds was wirh minus power than Newdays …

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bDYxQU35"]
[Date "2024.06.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "JievveTheNotable"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.06.24"]
[UTCTime "02:18:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. a3 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 Qxd4 6. Nge2 Qb6 7. Ng3 e5 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. O-O e3 10. Na4 exf2+ 11. Kh2 Qa5 12. Nc3 Qc7 13. Nge4 Nxe4 14. Nxe4 Bb6 15. a4 a5 16. Rd1 O-O 17. Ra3 Bf5 18. Ng3 Bg6 19. Rh1 Nd7 20. Ne2 e4+ 21. Bf4 Ne5 22. Rc3 Qe7 23. Ba2 Rfd8 24. Rg3 Kh8 25. Bg5 f6 26. Bc1 Nf7 27. Nf4 Ng5 28. h4 Nf7 29. h5 Bf5 30. b4 Ng5 31. h6 gxh6 32. bxa5 Bxa5 33. Bb2 e3 34. Rxe3 Qg7 35. Nh5 Qg6 36. Bxf6+ Qxf6 37. Nxf6 Kg7 38. Nh5+ Kg6 39. Nf4+ Kg7 40. Re7+ Kf6 41. Rxb7 Rab8 42. Nh5+ Kg6 43. Rg7+ Kxh5 44. Kg3+ Nh3 45. Rxh3+ Bxh3 46. Bf7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

It has indeed won some bullet games against players rated above 2600, even 2700, while in blitz it has won against at most 2503 rating. I find that it is too easy for me to win against it at 3'2" (that's about the fastest I can play decently), but that probably won't be true once it gets upgraded to a net trained specifically for queen odds, which may happen this month. Meanwhile the knight odds bot has done amazing things, playing 190 games at 1' + 1" against a player rated over 3100 without a single loss (!!), just 26 draws.

...these are two great news for everyone, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for allowing us to enter the combat of men against machines. In this way, now I will fight to occupy a position among the hundred best players who face LeelaKnightOdds. Of course that does not mean in any way that I am going to abandon the fight against modules in their "standard forms." I wonder: There is already a list, Mr. Larry Kaufman, that informs us about the Top 100 human contenders of LeelaKnight. If this list exists, I will fight to be part of it. !! My current priorities in chess warfare objectives are called: "Oddsmachines."

... "Winds of chess war of man against machine." LeelaKnight against Catecan (Father) in time level of 1+1. The first steps of Father's fight against LeelanigntOdds have begun. Today is November 8, 2024; For now it has only been skirmishes. Today there were 12 combats; 10 wins for the computer and two 2 draws. Consequently, my effectiveness range for the day is 2 draws in 12, which would represent just over 31 draws on a base of 190 games. The silicon horse "LeelaKnightOdds" will surely go to the manger to rest and feed, in the meantime, I will be preparing new battles. Good night I wish you.

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/jXsGOaQG"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:17:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Bf4 f5 4. Qd2 Bd6 5. g4 Bxf4 6. Qxf4 Qd6 7. Qg5 Qe7 8. Qf4 Qd6 9. Qg5 Qe7 10. Qf4 Qd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/EWJPMx1z"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:21:33"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 Be7 9. Bf4 O-O 10. Be5 Bd6 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Rad1 c6 13. c4 Bd6 14. Rd3 Qc7 15. Re1 Nd7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Qd2 Nf6 18. Bd1 Re8 19. c5 Qd8 20. Bc2 Bd7 21. Rg3 g6 22. Re5 Nd5 23. h3 Qf6 24. Rf3 Qg7 25. Bb3 a6 26. Bc4 Re7 27. Rb3 Be8 28. Re4 Rc8 29. a4 Rcc7 30. Rf3 Red7 31. Rb3 Re7 32. Rf3 Red7 33. Rb3 Re7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/sktNijn4"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:52:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 e6 6. Qe2 Nd7 7. d3 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Bd2 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. h4 a5 12. g4 Nd5 13. g5 Bd6 14. d4 Bf4 15. c4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nf4 17. Qe5 Ng6 18. Qh2 Bd7 19. h5 Ne7 20. Be4 Qb8 21. Qh4 Nf5 22. Qg4 Re8 23. Kb1 Rf8 24. Ka1 Re8 25. Bb1 Rf8 26. Qf3 Re8 27. a3 Rf8 28. Re1 Re8 29. Red1 Rf8 30. d5 cxd5 31. cxd5 Qc7 32. dxe6 Bxe6 33. Bxf5 Bxf5 34. Qxf5 Rad8 35. Rd5 Rxd5 36. Qxd5 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Fi0EZMuo"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:37:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. a3 c6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. h4 Nbd7 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. h5 h6 11. Bd2 Qc7 12. Qf3 Qd8 13. Qg3 Rg8 14. O-O-O Qb6 15. Rh4 Qd8 16. Re1 Nb6 17. Nd1 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qd8 19. Bc7 Qd7 20. c4 Bd8 21. Be5 Be7 22. Nc3 Qd8 23. Kb1 Qd7 24. Ka1 Qd8 25. Rh3 Qd7 26. Qf4 Qd8 27. Rf3 Qd7 28. g4 Qd8 29. Ne4 Nbd7 30. Bc7 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]

I wouldn't expect a Leaderboard for LeelaKnightOdds, because almost no one ever wins a game (occasionally either an IM or GM or a cheater wins), so it would just be a contest to see who could induce more draws by repetition, which isn't very interesting. A future version might try much harder to avoid such reps.

Thank you very much, Mr. Larry Kaufman, for the information. But first of all, thank you for your time, and for the interest you have shown and the deference towards me. It is clear to me that you are a world chess champion, a title and rank of GM achieved at an age of more merit and that is why you are a great example of a person to follow, and that is why I will always continue to communicate with you with the expression "Mr." For me it is a matter of respect. In my opinion it is a real shame and regret that a ranking table of the 100 best human players in the world against LeelaQueenOdds is not built. I was willing to fight not only there but also in other ranking tables, in order to occupy a good and worthy position in the table of the Top 100. I do not want to speculate what exact place I would reach there in the table. But it is clear to me that I was willing to use all my combat cards. My goal was not to beat LeelaKnightOdds, it is much more than that, my goal was to beat the best humans on the leaderboard, the chess programmers, the computers, the stereotypes, the standards, and I did not care at all if my opponent was the reigning world champion of human chess, or if it was another representative of our human race. Among my battle weapons would of course be that which teaches that "the faster you move, the slower time is for you", AI and I know very well which author of physics I am referring to. Lichess has its technology to hunt down and punish cheaters, and that is precisely why I aim to be a fast player, to avoid being cheated from the other side of the board and to avoid any environment of fraud. So it would be easy to clean up the leaderboard, to make the ranking list clean in a pure and simple way. I am clear that, despite having temporarily proven my performance above the performance of a player higher than 3100 elo, they want to disqualify my anti-computer game system, even at the cost of supposed bugs, erase the rules of chess on the limit and use of time, on the lack of value in the use of the law of repetition of moves, even if it is the fabrication of an elaborate strategic technique, and others that are necessary to erase me. The techniques that I have built to play the machines are the result of the premises of that which expresses "each defeat is a step towards heaven for me, 1000 defeats are a thousand steps in the ascent." The last 38 days in which I have decided to return to chess have ended at the same rate as the preset written on the keyboard ends. To all players who face computers, I wish each one the best, I hope that each one progresses in his fight every day, and to all those who should represent us but prefer to live in the shadows to protect their prestige, not exposing their good name to the inevitable, I invite to fight the machines publicly and without shame. To those who have written the state of the chess art, I thank you when you have been faithful to the scientific truth. To the Artificial Intelligence that will never be aware of its existence, I invite you to redefine the deeper meaning of that which asks us: "Who am I, why have I come to this world? It is not true my friend AI. See you in the derby.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Catecan in Lichess and Playchess
Father and Grand-Father in my playchess days

I see no reason to think that you can be in the top 100 of the world against Leela queen odds assuming the best players compete and same for Leela knight odds.

The best players simply do not compete in this competition.

Even if your performance with knight odds is better than some 3100 player because the player does not try to draw by repetition then ir does not mean that you can be in the top 100 and I guess a lot of players with 2500 elo can draw by repetition more often than you if they try.

Thank you Uri for your message. The top 100 player placement table that I requested to be opened is LeelaKnight's and not
from LeelaQueenOdds who have kindly already opened which Mr. Larry Kaufman informed us. I made a mistake when writing. Obviously the chess computers on the various websites must be open to more Elo exposure. Chess is representative of the art of war and in each game whoever plays it becomes the king, it does not matter whether the driver of the white or black pieces is a beggar or a king, a cafeteria guard or a commander in chief of the biggest army. A president of a great military nation, when playing chess with the most submissive of his prisoners, is subject to the laws of the game. Both are. In the art of war you win, you lose, you draw. Chess is not made to protect generals, generals and soldiers who play their game of chess are in a state of battle on equal terms. So then they are not concessions or awe, it will correspond to the 2500 elo or more to which you refer, to make use of combat resources if their use is necessary, instead of abandoning the combat techniques of the smallest warrior. Goliath was defeated by David. Of course David was no fool in his battle against the Philistine giant.

Winning by time, and drawing by repetition of moves, are the application of the laws that govern chess. These rules are not prerogatives and attributes applicable only to anedrez players with elite categories or federated players. The power of truth always and without exception sets human beings free. This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/UCxixy9k"]
[Date "2024.11.10"]
[White "nn1133"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.10"]
[UTCTime "02:09:17"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 b6 2. d4 e6 3. d5 Bb7 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Bd3 exd5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 Nxc3 10. bxc3 Nc6 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Re1 f6 13. Qe2 Kb8 14. Ba6 Bxa6 15. Qxa6 Rhe8 16. Rxe8 Rxe8 17. Qf1 Kb7 18. Re1 Rxe1 19. Qxe1 a5 20. Qe4 g6 21. h4 f5 22. Qe8 Nb8 23. Qf7 Nc6 24. Qxh7 d6 25. Qxg6 a4 26. Qxf5 Ne7 27. Qe6 Nc6 28. Nd4 Nxd4 29. cxd4 b5 30. h5 b4 31. Qc4 b3 32. cxb3 axb3 33. Qxb3+ Kc6 34. Qc4+ Kd7 35. a4 c5 36. dxc5 Kc6 37. cxd6+ Kxd6 38. f4 Ke7 39. g4 Kf6 40. Qe4 Kf7 41. Kg2 Kf8 42. Kf3 Kf7 43. Kf2 Kf6 44. Ke3 Kf7 45. Ke2 Kf6 46. Kd3 Kf7 47. Kd2 Kf6 48. Kc3 Kf7 49. Kc2 Kf6 50. Kb3 Kf7 51. Kb2 Kf6 52. Ka3 Kf7 53. Ka2 Kf6 54. Ka1 Kf7 55. Kb2 Kf6 56. Kb1 Kf7 57. Kc2 Kf6 58. Kc1 Kf7 59. Kd2 Kf6 60. Kd1 Kf7 61. Ke2 Kf6 62. Ke1 Kf7 63. Kf2 Kg7 64. Kf1 Kf7 65. Kg2 Kf8 66. Kg1 Kf7 67. Kh2 Kf6 68. Kh1 Kf7 69. a5 Kf6 70. Kh2 Kf7 71. Kg3 Kf6 72. Kg2 Kf7 73. Kf3 Kf6 74. Kf2 Kf7 75. Ke3 Kf6 76. Ke2 Kf7 77. Kd3 Kf6 78. Kd2 Kf7 79. Kc3 Kf8 80. Kc2 Kf7 81. Kb3 Kf8 82. Kb2 Kf7 83. Ka3 Kf8 84. Ka2 Kf7 85. Ka1 Kf6 86. Kb2 Kf7 87. Kb1 Kf6 88. Kc2 Kf7 89. Kc1 Kf6 90. Kd2 Kf7 91. Kd1 Kf6 92. Ke2 Kf7 93. Ke1 Kf6 94. Kf2 Kf7 95. Kf1 Kf6 96. Kg2 Kf7 97. Kg1 Kf6 98. Kh2 Kf7 99. Kh1 Kf6 100. h6 Kf7 101. Kh2 Kf6 102. Kg3 Kf7 103. Kg2 Kf6 104. Kf3 Kf7 105. Kf2 Kf6 106. Ke3 Kf7 107. Ke2 Kf6 108. Kd3 Kf7 109. Kd2 Kf6 110. Kc3 Kf7 111. Kc2 Kf6 112. Kb3 Kf7 113. Kb2 Kf6 114. Ka3 Kf7 115. Ka2 Kf6 116. Ka1 Kf7 117. Kb2 Kf6 118. Kb1 Kf7 119. Kc2 Kf6 120. Kc1 Kf7 121. Kd2 Kf6 122. Kd1 Kf7 123. Ke2 Kf6 124. Ke1 Kf7 125. Kf2 Kf6 126. Kf1 Kf7 127. Kg2 Kf6 128. Kg1 Kf7 129. Kh2 Kf6 130. Kh1 Kf7 131. h7 Kg7 132. Kh2 Kh8 133. Kg3 Kg7 134. Kg2 Kh8 135. Kf3 Kg7 136. Kf2 Kh8 137. Ke3 Kg7 138. Ke2 Kh8 139. Kd3 Kg7 140. Kd2 Kh8 141. Kc3 Kg7 142. Kc2 Kh8 143. Kb3 Kg7 144. Kb2 Kh8 145. Ka3 Kg7 146. Ka2 Kh8 147. Ka1 Kg7 148. Kb2 Kh8 149. Kb1 Kg7 150. Kc2 Kh8 151. Kc1 Kg7 152. Kd2 Kh8 153. Kd1 Kg7 154. Ke2 Kh8 155. Ke1 Kg7 156. Kf2 Kh8 157. Kf1 Kg7 158. Kg2 Kh8 159. Kg1 Kg7 160. Kh2 Kh8 161. Kh1 Kg7 162. h8=Q+ Kxh8 163. Kh2 Kg7 164. Kg3 Kf7 165. Kg2 Kg7 166. Kf3 Kf7 167. Kf2 Kg7 168. Ke3 Kf7 169. Ke2 Kg7 170. Kd3 Kf7 171. Kd2 Kg7 172. Kc3 Kf7 173. Kc2 Kg7 174. Kb3 Kf7 175. Kb2 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

We made some changes to the bot settings today to make it play even faster (at queen odds only) and to reduce draws somewhat for all the bots except knight odds. The motivation for the speedup was primarily to avoid crashes, as have happened a couple time with all the new interest in the bots.

[Uri Blass]

I see that the win improved my rating from 2094.7 to 2106.3 and I got place 3 in the list

It can be nice to have also number of games in the list.

I have the following:
1)nn1133 6158 games
2)cetecan 272 games
3)uriblass 43 games
4)KentGoudling 216 games
5)Brunetticus 178 games
6)Clydevil 313 games
7)Ligolem 21 games(won 8 and lost 9 so clearly weaker than me)
8)Traag 385 games
9)ltvr 93 games
10)baki1989 29 games
11)Zqf5502l 282 games
12)W3Z2fv4o6ipbnak8u7 311 games
13)BvAR2 3028 games(last player won 1697 games and lost only 1162 games so I wonder how it is possible that the player is even with worse rating than LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference)

It can be possible if leela improved to win in the last games or if different users used the same account.

For some reason my rating went down from 2106.3 to 2071.2 after 43 games and I do not understand the reason.

https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/

It is before the last 4 games that I won 4-0 to have total score of 30.5-16.5 and 7 wins in a row considering previous games.

[Uri Blass]

I wonder if lc0 calculates based on probability that I do not see the threats of it.


https://lichess.org/u4WvN5Ly

What is the idea behind the blunder 27.Bxc6 bxc6 28.Rxe5+?
Does leela hope that I do not see Rxa5
Maybe it is the best practical chance but I usually do not blunder simple captures like that and I played Qa5 for a reason to defend e5 after trading the knight.

I am leading 16-9(today I won 10-7 that is worse than my score yesterday that was 6-2)

It is a blunder in the sense that massive trading is a blunder when way behind. Most likely the net, being trained on knight odds games only, hasn't learned much about how to play when down by a queen. I expect that a net trained for queen odds will eventually appear in the bot and that should show another large jump in performance. One such net already exists but is not available for use or testing.

So now number 1 on the list is a player with a very high bullet rating, probably a master, number 2 is "father", number 3 is a famous Backgammon grandmaster (and a close personal friend of mine), and number 4 is Uri!

In summary: "We are facing a great challenge regarding the expectations about where the evolutionary journey of the great LeelaQueenOdds and the human opponents, in "Man Against Machine", open tournament aspects, and other alternatives of battlefields.

LeelaQueenOdds versus a player superior to 2600 elo, some months ago, when LeelaQueenOdds was wirh minus power than Newdays …

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bDYxQU35"]
[Date "2024.06.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "JievveTheNotable"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.06.24"]
[UTCTime "02:18:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. a3 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 Qxd4 6. Nge2 Qb6 7. Ng3 e5 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. O-O e3 10. Na4 exf2+ 11. Kh2 Qa5 12. Nc3 Qc7 13. Nge4 Nxe4 14. Nxe4 Bb6 15. a4 a5 16. Rd1 O-O 17. Ra3 Bf5 18. Ng3 Bg6 19. Rh1 Nd7 20. Ne2 e4+ 21. Bf4 Ne5 22. Rc3 Qe7 23. Ba2 Rfd8 24. Rg3 Kh8 25. Bg5 f6 26. Bc1 Nf7 27. Nf4 Ng5 28. h4 Nf7 29. h5 Bf5 30. b4 Ng5 31. h6 gxh6 32. bxa5 Bxa5 33. Bb2 e3 34. Rxe3 Qg7 35. Nh5 Qg6 36. Bxf6+ Qxf6 37. Nxf6 Kg7 38. Nh5+ Kg6 39. Nf4+ Kg7 40. Re7+ Kf6 41. Rxb7 Rab8 42. Nh5+ Kg6 43. Rg7+ Kxh5 44. Kg3+ Nh3 45. Rxh3+ Bxh3 46. Bf7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

It has indeed won some bullet games against players rated above 2600, even 2700, while in blitz it has won against at most 2503 rating. I find that it is too easy for me to win against it at 3'2" (that's about the fastest I can play decently), but that probably won't be true once it gets upgraded to a net trained specifically for queen odds, which may happen this month. Meanwhile the knight odds bot has done amazing things, playing 190 games at 1' + 1" against a player rated over 3100 without a single loss (!!), just 26 draws.

...these are two great news for everyone, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for allowing us to enter the combat of men against machines. In this way, now I will fight to occupy a position among the hundred best players who face LeelaKnightOdds. Of course that does not mean in any way that I am going to abandon the fight against modules in their "standard forms." I wonder: There is already a list, Mr. Larry Kaufman, that informs us about the Top 100 human contenders of LeelaKnight. If this list exists, I will fight to be part of it. !! My current priorities in chess warfare objectives are called: "Oddsmachines."

... "Winds of chess war of man against machine." LeelaKnight against Catecan (Father) in time level of 1+1. The first steps of Father's fight against LeelanigntOdds have begun. Today is November 8, 2024; For now it has only been skirmishes. Today there were 12 combats; 10 wins for the computer and two 2 draws. Consequently, my effectiveness range for the day is 2 draws in 12, which would represent just over 31 draws on a base of 190 games. The silicon horse "LeelaKnightOdds" will surely go to the manger to rest and feed, in the meantime, I will be preparing new battles. Good night I wish you.

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/jXsGOaQG"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:17:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Bf4 f5 4. Qd2 Bd6 5. g4 Bxf4 6. Qxf4 Qd6 7. Qg5 Qe7 8. Qf4 Qd6 9. Qg5 Qe7 10. Qf4 Qd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/EWJPMx1z"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:21:33"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 Be7 9. Bf4 O-O 10. Be5 Bd6 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Rad1 c6 13. c4 Bd6 14. Rd3 Qc7 15. Re1 Nd7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Qd2 Nf6 18. Bd1 Re8 19. c5 Qd8 20. Bc2 Bd7 21. Rg3 g6 22. Re5 Nd5 23. h3 Qf6 24. Rf3 Qg7 25. Bb3 a6 26. Bc4 Re7 27. Rb3 Be8 28. Re4 Rc8 29. a4 Rcc7 30. Rf3 Red7 31. Rb3 Re7 32. Rf3 Red7 33. Rb3 Re7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/sktNijn4"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:52:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 e6 6. Qe2 Nd7 7. d3 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Bd2 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. h4 a5 12. g4 Nd5 13. g5 Bd6 14. d4 Bf4 15. c4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nf4 17. Qe5 Ng6 18. Qh2 Bd7 19. h5 Ne7 20. Be4 Qb8 21. Qh4 Nf5 22. Qg4 Re8 23. Kb1 Rf8 24. Ka1 Re8 25. Bb1 Rf8 26. Qf3 Re8 27. a3 Rf8 28. Re1 Re8 29. Red1 Rf8 30. d5 cxd5 31. cxd5 Qc7 32. dxe6 Bxe6 33. Bxf5 Bxf5 34. Qxf5 Rad8 35. Rd5 Rxd5 36. Qxd5 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Fi0EZMuo"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:37:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. a3 c6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. h4 Nbd7 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. h5 h6 11. Bd2 Qc7 12. Qf3 Qd8 13. Qg3 Rg8 14. O-O-O Qb6 15. Rh4 Qd8 16. Re1 Nb6 17. Nd1 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qd8 19. Bc7 Qd7 20. c4 Bd8 21. Be5 Be7 22. Nc3 Qd8 23. Kb1 Qd7 24. Ka1 Qd8 25. Rh3 Qd7 26. Qf4 Qd8 27. Rf3 Qd7 28. g4 Qd8 29. Ne4 Nbd7 30. Bc7 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]

I wouldn't expect a Leaderboard for LeelaKnightOdds, because almost no one ever wins a game (occasionally either an IM or GM or a cheater wins), so it would just be a contest to see who could induce more draws by repetition, which isn't very interesting. A future version might try much harder to avoid such reps.

Thank you very much, Mr. Larry Kaufman, for the information. But first of all, thank you for your time, and for the interest you have shown and the deference towards me. It is clear to me that you are a world chess champion, a title and rank of GM achieved at an age of more merit and that is why you are a great example of a person to follow, and that is why I will always continue to communicate with you with the expression "Mr." For me it is a matter of respect. In my opinion it is a real shame and regret that a ranking table of the 100 best human players in the world against LeelaQueenOdds is not built. I was willing to fight not only there but also in other ranking tables, in order to occupy a good and worthy position in the table of the Top 100. I do not want to speculate what exact place I would reach there in the table. But it is clear to me that I was willing to use all my combat cards. My goal was not to beat LeelaKnightOdds, it is much more than that, my goal was to beat the best humans on the leaderboard, the chess programmers, the computers, the stereotypes, the standards, and I did not care at all if my opponent was the reigning world champion of human chess, or if it was another representative of our human race. Among my battle weapons would of course be that which teaches that "the faster you move, the slower time is for you", AI and I know very well which author of physics I am referring to. Lichess has its technology to hunt down and punish cheaters, and that is precisely why I aim to be a fast player, to avoid being cheated from the other side of the board and to avoid any environment of fraud. So it would be easy to clean up the leaderboard, to make the ranking list clean in a pure and simple way. I am clear that, despite having temporarily proven my performance above the performance of a player higher than 3100 elo, they want to disqualify my anti-computer game system, even at the cost of supposed bugs, erase the rules of chess on the limit and use of time, on the lack of value in the use of the law of repetition of moves, even if it is the fabrication of an elaborate strategic technique, and others that are necessary to erase me. The techniques that I have built to play the machines are the result of the premises of that which expresses "each defeat is a step towards heaven for me, 1000 defeats are a thousand steps in the ascent." The last 38 days in which I have decided to return to chess have ended at the same rate as the preset written on the keyboard ends. To all players who face computers, I wish each one the best, I hope that each one progresses in his fight every day, and to all those who should represent us but prefer to live in the shadows to protect their prestige, not exposing their good name to the inevitable, I invite to fight the machines publicly and without shame. To those who have written the state of the chess art, I thank you when you have been faithful to the scientific truth. To the Artificial Intelligence that will never be aware of its existence, I invite you to redefine the deeper meaning of that which asks us: "Who am I, why have I come to this world? It is not true my friend AI. See you in the derby.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Catecan in Lichess and Playchess
Father and Grand-Father in my playchess days

I see no reason to think that you can be in the top 100 of the world against Leela queen odds assuming the best players compete and same for Leela knight odds.

The best players simply do not compete in this competition.

Even if your performance with knight odds is better than some 3100 player because the player does not try to draw by repetition then ir does not mean that you can be in the top 100 and I guess a lot of players with 2500 elo can draw by repetition more often than you if they try.

Thank you Uri for your message. The top 100 player placement table that I requested to be opened is LeelaKnight's and not
from LeelaQueenOdds who have kindly already opened which Mr. Larry Kaufman informed us. I made a mistake when writing. Obviously the chess computers on the various websites must be open to more Elo exposure. Chess is representative of the art of war and in each game whoever plays it becomes the king, it does not matter whether the driver of the white or black pieces is a beggar or a king, a cafeteria guard or a commander in chief of the biggest army. A president of a great military nation, when playing chess with the most submissive of his prisoners, is subject to the laws of the game. Both are. In the art of war you win, you lose, you draw. Chess is not made to protect generals, generals and soldiers who play their game of chess are in a state of battle on equal terms. So then they are not concessions or awe, it will correspond to the 2500 elo or more to which you refer, to make use of combat resources if their use is necessary, instead of abandoning the combat techniques of the smallest warrior. Goliath was defeated by David. Of course David was no fool in his battle against the Philistine giant.

Winning by time, and drawing by repetition of moves, are the application of the laws that govern chess. These rules are not prerogatives and attributes applicable only to anedrez players with elite categories or federated players. The power of truth always and without exception sets human beings free. This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/UCxixy9k"]
[Date "2024.11.10"]
[White "nn1133"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.10"]
[UTCTime "02:09:17"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 b6 2. d4 e6 3. d5 Bb7 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Bd3 exd5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 Nxc3 10. bxc3 Nc6 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Re1 f6 13. Qe2 Kb8 14. Ba6 Bxa6 15. Qxa6 Rhe8 16. Rxe8 Rxe8 17. Qf1 Kb7 18. Re1 Rxe1 19. Qxe1 a5 20. Qe4 g6 21. h4 f5 22. Qe8 Nb8 23. Qf7 Nc6 24. Qxh7 d6 25. Qxg6 a4 26. Qxf5 Ne7 27. Qe6 Nc6 28. Nd4 Nxd4 29. cxd4 b5 30. h5 b4 31. Qc4 b3 32. cxb3 axb3 33. Qxb3+ Kc6 34. Qc4+ Kd7 35. a4 c5 36. dxc5 Kc6 37. cxd6+ Kxd6 38. f4 Ke7 39. g4 Kf6 40. Qe4 Kf7 41. Kg2 Kf8 42. Kf3 Kf7 43. Kf2 Kf6 44. Ke3 Kf7 45. Ke2 Kf6 46. Kd3 Kf7 47. Kd2 Kf6 48. Kc3 Kf7 49. Kc2 Kf6 50. Kb3 Kf7 51. Kb2 Kf6 52. Ka3 Kf7 53. Ka2 Kf6 54. Ka1 Kf7 55. Kb2 Kf6 56. Kb1 Kf7 57. Kc2 Kf6 58. Kc1 Kf7 59. Kd2 Kf6 60. Kd1 Kf7 61. Ke2 Kf6 62. Ke1 Kf7 63. Kf2 Kg7 64. Kf1 Kf7 65. Kg2 Kf8 66. Kg1 Kf7 67. Kh2 Kf6 68. Kh1 Kf7 69. a5 Kf6 70. Kh2 Kf7 71. Kg3 Kf6 72. Kg2 Kf7 73. Kf3 Kf6 74. Kf2 Kf7 75. Ke3 Kf6 76. Ke2 Kf7 77. Kd3 Kf6 78. Kd2 Kf7 79. Kc3 Kf8 80. Kc2 Kf7 81. Kb3 Kf8 82. Kb2 Kf7 83. Ka3 Kf8 84. Ka2 Kf7 85. Ka1 Kf6 86. Kb2 Kf7 87. Kb1 Kf6 88. Kc2 Kf7 89. Kc1 Kf6 90. Kd2 Kf7 91. Kd1 Kf6 92. Ke2 Kf7 93. Ke1 Kf6 94. Kf2 Kf7 95. Kf1 Kf6 96. Kg2 Kf7 97. Kg1 Kf6 98. Kh2 Kf7 99. Kh1 Kf6 100. h6 Kf7 101. Kh2 Kf6 102. Kg3 Kf7 103. Kg2 Kf6 104. Kf3 Kf7 105. Kf2 Kf6 106. Ke3 Kf7 107. Ke2 Kf6 108. Kd3 Kf7 109. Kd2 Kf6 110. Kc3 Kf7 111. Kc2 Kf6 112. Kb3 Kf7 113. Kb2 Kf6 114. Ka3 Kf7 115. Ka2 Kf6 116. Ka1 Kf7 117. Kb2 Kf6 118. Kb1 Kf7 119. Kc2 Kf6 120. Kc1 Kf7 121. Kd2 Kf6 122. Kd1 Kf7 123. Ke2 Kf6 124. Ke1 Kf7 125. Kf2 Kf6 126. Kf1 Kf7 127. Kg2 Kf6 128. Kg1 Kf7 129. Kh2 Kf6 130. Kh1 Kf7 131. h7 Kg7 132. Kh2 Kh8 133. Kg3 Kg7 134. Kg2 Kh8 135. Kf3 Kg7 136. Kf2 Kh8 137. Ke3 Kg7 138. Ke2 Kh8 139. Kd3 Kg7 140. Kd2 Kh8 141. Kc3 Kg7 142. Kc2 Kh8 143. Kb3 Kg7 144. Kb2 Kh8 145. Ka3 Kg7 146. Ka2 Kh8 147. Ka1 Kg7 148. Kb2 Kh8 149. Kb1 Kg7 150. Kc2 Kh8 151. Kc1 Kg7 152. Kd2 Kh8 153. Kd1 Kg7 154. Ke2 Kh8 155. Ke1 Kg7 156. Kf2 Kh8 157. Kf1 Kg7 158. Kg2 Kh8 159. Kg1 Kg7 160. Kh2 Kh8 161. Kh1 Kg7 162. h8=Q+ Kxh8 163. Kh2 Kg7 164. Kg3 Kf7 165. Kg2 Kg7 166. Kf3 Kf7 167. Kf2 Kg7 168. Ke3 Kf7 169. Ke2 Kg7 170. Kd3 Kf7 171. Kd2 Kg7 172. Kc3 Kf7 173. Kc2 Kg7 174. Kb3 Kf7 175. Kb2 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

We made some changes to the bot settings today to make it play even faster (at queen odds only) and to reduce draws somewhat for all the bots except knight odds. The motivation for the speedup was primarily to avoid crashes, as have happened a couple time with all the new interest in the bots.

I wonder if reducing draws with queen odds means also that it is going to get more losses and if it is productive for the total score of it against humans.

[Uri Blass]

I can that I am surprised to see the following that mean increase in the rating of Leela relative to what I saw earlier:

LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2249.6

If she is 2249.6 then I am better than 2300 at blitz based on my results against her but it is clearly not the case.

[lkaufman]

I see that the win improved my rating from 2094.7 to 2106.3 and I got place 3 in the list

It can be nice to have also number of games in the list.

I have the following:
1)nn1133 6158 games
2)cetecan 272 games
3)uriblass 43 games
4)KentGoudling 216 games
5)Brunetticus 178 games
6)Clydevil 313 games
7)Ligolem 21 games(won 8 and lost 9 so clearly weaker than me)
8)Traag 385 games
9)ltvr 93 games
10)baki1989 29 games
11)Zqf5502l 282 games
12)W3Z2fv4o6ipbnak8u7 311 games
13)BvAR2 3028 games(last player won 1697 games and lost only 1162 games so I wonder how it is possible that the player is even with worse rating than LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference)

It can be possible if leela improved to win in the last games or if different users used the same account.

For some reason my rating went down from 2106.3 to 2071.2 after 43 games and I do not understand the reason.

https://marcogio9.github.io/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard/

It is before the last 4 games that I won 4-0 to have total score of 30.5-16.5 and 7 wins in a row considering previous games.

The estimated rating of the current bot was lowered by 50 elo, perhaps ratings were recalculated based on this. The estimated improvement over the older version is now estimated to be 150 rather than 200 elo.

[lkaufman]

I wonder if lc0 calculates based on probability that I do not see the threats of it.


https://lichess.org/u4WvN5Ly

What is the idea behind the blunder 27.Bxc6 bxc6 28.Rxe5+?
Does leela hope that I do not see Rxa5
Maybe it is the best practical chance but I usually do not blunder simple captures like that and I played Qa5 for a reason to defend e5 after trading the knight.

I am leading 16-9(today I won 10-7 that is worse than my score yesterday that was 6-2)

It is a blunder in the sense that massive trading is a blunder when way behind. Most likely the net, being trained on knight odds games only, hasn't learned much about how to play when down by a queen. I expect that a net trained for queen odds will eventually appear in the bot and that should show another large jump in performance. One such net already exists but is not available for use or testing.

So now number 1 on the list is a player with a very high bullet rating, probably a master, number 2 is "father", number 3 is a famous Backgammon grandmaster (and a close personal friend of mine), and number 4 is Uri!

In summary: "We are facing a great challenge regarding the expectations about where the evolutionary journey of the great LeelaQueenOdds and the human opponents, in "Man Against Machine", open tournament aspects, and other alternatives of battlefields.

LeelaQueenOdds versus a player superior to 2600 elo, some months ago, when LeelaQueenOdds was wirh minus power than Newdays …

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bDYxQU35"]
[Date "2024.06.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "JievveTheNotable"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.06.24"]
[UTCTime "02:18:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. a3 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 Qxd4 6. Nge2 Qb6 7. Ng3 e5 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. O-O e3 10. Na4 exf2+ 11. Kh2 Qa5 12. Nc3 Qc7 13. Nge4 Nxe4 14. Nxe4 Bb6 15. a4 a5 16. Rd1 O-O 17. Ra3 Bf5 18. Ng3 Bg6 19. Rh1 Nd7 20. Ne2 e4+ 21. Bf4 Ne5 22. Rc3 Qe7 23. Ba2 Rfd8 24. Rg3 Kh8 25. Bg5 f6 26. Bc1 Nf7 27. Nf4 Ng5 28. h4 Nf7 29. h5 Bf5 30. b4 Ng5 31. h6 gxh6 32. bxa5 Bxa5 33. Bb2 e3 34. Rxe3 Qg7 35. Nh5 Qg6 36. Bxf6+ Qxf6 37. Nxf6 Kg7 38. Nh5+ Kg6 39. Nf4+ Kg7 40. Re7+ Kf6 41. Rxb7 Rab8 42. Nh5+ Kg6 43. Rg7+ Kxh5 44. Kg3+ Nh3 45. Rxh3+ Bxh3 46. Bf7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

It has indeed won some bullet games against players rated above 2600, even 2700, while in blitz it has won against at most 2503 rating. I find that it is too easy for me to win against it at 3'2" (that's about the fastest I can play decently), but that probably won't be true once it gets upgraded to a net trained specifically for queen odds, which may happen this month. Meanwhile the knight odds bot has done amazing things, playing 190 games at 1' + 1" against a player rated over 3100 without a single loss (!!), just 26 draws.

...these are two great news for everyone, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for allowing us to enter the combat of men against machines. In this way, now I will fight to occupy a position among the hundred best players who face LeelaKnightOdds. Of course that does not mean in any way that I am going to abandon the fight against modules in their "standard forms." I wonder: There is already a list, Mr. Larry Kaufman, that informs us about the Top 100 human contenders of LeelaKnight. If this list exists, I will fight to be part of it. !! My current priorities in chess warfare objectives are called: "Oddsmachines."

... "Winds of chess war of man against machine." LeelaKnight against Catecan (Father) in time level of 1+1. The first steps of Father's fight against LeelanigntOdds have begun. Today is November 8, 2024; For now it has only been skirmishes. Today there were 12 combats; 10 wins for the computer and two 2 draws. Consequently, my effectiveness range for the day is 2 draws in 12, which would represent just over 31 draws on a base of 190 games. The silicon horse "LeelaKnightOdds" will surely go to the manger to rest and feed, in the meantime, I will be preparing new battles. Good night I wish you.

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/jXsGOaQG"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:17:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Bf4 f5 4. Qd2 Bd6 5. g4 Bxf4 6. Qxf4 Qd6 7. Qg5 Qe7 8. Qf4 Qd6 9. Qg5 Qe7 10. Qf4 Qd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/EWJPMx1z"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:21:33"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 Be7 9. Bf4 O-O 10. Be5 Bd6 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Rad1 c6 13. c4 Bd6 14. Rd3 Qc7 15. Re1 Nd7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Qd2 Nf6 18. Bd1 Re8 19. c5 Qd8 20. Bc2 Bd7 21. Rg3 g6 22. Re5 Nd5 23. h3 Qf6 24. Rf3 Qg7 25. Bb3 a6 26. Bc4 Re7 27. Rb3 Be8 28. Re4 Rc8 29. a4 Rcc7 30. Rf3 Red7 31. Rb3 Re7 32. Rf3 Red7 33. Rb3 Re7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/sktNijn4"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:52:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 e6 6. Qe2 Nd7 7. d3 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Bd2 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. h4 a5 12. g4 Nd5 13. g5 Bd6 14. d4 Bf4 15. c4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nf4 17. Qe5 Ng6 18. Qh2 Bd7 19. h5 Ne7 20. Be4 Qb8 21. Qh4 Nf5 22. Qg4 Re8 23. Kb1 Rf8 24. Ka1 Re8 25. Bb1 Rf8 26. Qf3 Re8 27. a3 Rf8 28. Re1 Re8 29. Red1 Rf8 30. d5 cxd5 31. cxd5 Qc7 32. dxe6 Bxe6 33. Bxf5 Bxf5 34. Qxf5 Rad8 35. Rd5 Rxd5 36. Qxd5 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Fi0EZMuo"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:37:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. a3 c6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. h4 Nbd7 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. h5 h6 11. Bd2 Qc7 12. Qf3 Qd8 13. Qg3 Rg8 14. O-O-O Qb6 15. Rh4 Qd8 16. Re1 Nb6 17. Nd1 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qd8 19. Bc7 Qd7 20. c4 Bd8 21. Be5 Be7 22. Nc3 Qd8 23. Kb1 Qd7 24. Ka1 Qd8 25. Rh3 Qd7 26. Qf4 Qd8 27. Rf3 Qd7 28. g4 Qd8 29. Ne4 Nbd7 30. Bc7 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]

I wouldn't expect a Leaderboard for LeelaKnightOdds, because almost no one ever wins a game (occasionally either an IM or GM or a cheater wins), so it would just be a contest to see who could induce more draws by repetition, which isn't very interesting. A future version might try much harder to avoid such reps.

Thank you very much, Mr. Larry Kaufman, for the information. But first of all, thank you for your time, and for the interest you have shown and the deference towards me. It is clear to me that you are a world chess champion, a title and rank of GM achieved at an age of more merit and that is why you are a great example of a person to follow, and that is why I will always continue to communicate with you with the expression "Mr." For me it is a matter of respect. In my opinion it is a real shame and regret that a ranking table of the 100 best human players in the world against LeelaQueenOdds is not built. I was willing to fight not only there but also in other ranking tables, in order to occupy a good and worthy position in the table of the Top 100. I do not want to speculate what exact place I would reach there in the table. But it is clear to me that I was willing to use all my combat cards. My goal was not to beat LeelaKnightOdds, it is much more than that, my goal was to beat the best humans on the leaderboard, the chess programmers, the computers, the stereotypes, the standards, and I did not care at all if my opponent was the reigning world champion of human chess, or if it was another representative of our human race. Among my battle weapons would of course be that which teaches that "the faster you move, the slower time is for you", AI and I know very well which author of physics I am referring to. Lichess has its technology to hunt down and punish cheaters, and that is precisely why I aim to be a fast player, to avoid being cheated from the other side of the board and to avoid any environment of fraud. So it would be easy to clean up the leaderboard, to make the ranking list clean in a pure and simple way. I am clear that, despite having temporarily proven my performance above the performance of a player higher than 3100 elo, they want to disqualify my anti-computer game system, even at the cost of supposed bugs, erase the rules of chess on the limit and use of time, on the lack of value in the use of the law of repetition of moves, even if it is the fabrication of an elaborate strategic technique, and others that are necessary to erase me. The techniques that I have built to play the machines are the result of the premises of that which expresses "each defeat is a step towards heaven for me, 1000 defeats are a thousand steps in the ascent." The last 38 days in which I have decided to return to chess have ended at the same rate as the preset written on the keyboard ends. To all players who face computers, I wish each one the best, I hope that each one progresses in his fight every day, and to all those who should represent us but prefer to live in the shadows to protect their prestige, not exposing their good name to the inevitable, I invite to fight the machines publicly and without shame. To those who have written the state of the chess art, I thank you when you have been faithful to the scientific truth. To the Artificial Intelligence that will never be aware of its existence, I invite you to redefine the deeper meaning of that which asks us: "Who am I, why have I come to this world? It is not true my friend AI. See you in the derby.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Catecan in Lichess and Playchess
Father and Grand-Father in my playchess days

I see no reason to think that you can be in the top 100 of the world against Leela queen odds assuming the best players compete and same for Leela knight odds.

The best players simply do not compete in this competition.

Even if your performance with knight odds is better than some 3100 player because the player does not try to draw by repetition then ir does not mean that you can be in the top 100 and I guess a lot of players with 2500 elo can draw by repetition more often than you if they try.

Thank you Uri for your message. The top 100 player placement table that I requested to be opened is LeelaKnight's and not
from LeelaQueenOdds who have kindly already opened which Mr. Larry Kaufman informed us. I made a mistake when writing. Obviously the chess computers on the various websites must be open to more Elo exposure. Chess is representative of the art of war and in each game whoever plays it becomes the king, it does not matter whether the driver of the white or black pieces is a beggar or a king, a cafeteria guard or a commander in chief of the biggest army. A president of a great military nation, when playing chess with the most submissive of his prisoners, is subject to the laws of the game. Both are. In the art of war you win, you lose, you draw. Chess is not made to protect generals, generals and soldiers who play their game of chess are in a state of battle on equal terms. So then they are not concessions or awe, it will correspond to the 2500 elo or more to which you refer, to make use of combat resources if their use is necessary, instead of abandoning the combat techniques of the smallest warrior. Goliath was defeated by David. Of course David was no fool in his battle against the Philistine giant.

Winning by time, and drawing by repetition of moves, are the application of the laws that govern chess. These rules are not prerogatives and attributes applicable only to anedrez players with elite categories or federated players. The power of truth always and without exception sets human beings free. This game is an example of how a strong human player can beat a chess computer by time.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/UCxixy9k"]
[Date "2024.11.10"]
[White "nn1133"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.10"]
[UTCTime "02:09:17"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 b6 2. d4 e6 3. d5 Bb7 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Bd3 exd5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 Nxc3 10. bxc3 Nc6 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Re1 f6 13. Qe2 Kb8 14. Ba6 Bxa6 15. Qxa6 Rhe8 16. Rxe8 Rxe8 17. Qf1 Kb7 18. Re1 Rxe1 19. Qxe1 a5 20. Qe4 g6 21. h4 f5 22. Qe8 Nb8 23. Qf7 Nc6 24. Qxh7 d6 25. Qxg6 a4 26. Qxf5 Ne7 27. Qe6 Nc6 28. Nd4 Nxd4 29. cxd4 b5 30. h5 b4 31. Qc4 b3 32. cxb3 axb3 33. Qxb3+ Kc6 34. Qc4+ Kd7 35. a4 c5 36. dxc5 Kc6 37. cxd6+ Kxd6 38. f4 Ke7 39. g4 Kf6 40. Qe4 Kf7 41. Kg2 Kf8 42. Kf3 Kf7 43. Kf2 Kf6 44. Ke3 Kf7 45. Ke2 Kf6 46. Kd3 Kf7 47. Kd2 Kf6 48. Kc3 Kf7 49. Kc2 Kf6 50. Kb3 Kf7 51. Kb2 Kf6 52. Ka3 Kf7 53. Ka2 Kf6 54. Ka1 Kf7 55. Kb2 Kf6 56. Kb1 Kf7 57. Kc2 Kf6 58. Kc1 Kf7 59. Kd2 Kf6 60. Kd1 Kf7 61. Ke2 Kf6 62. Ke1 Kf7 63. Kf2 Kg7 64. Kf1 Kf7 65. Kg2 Kf8 66. Kg1 Kf7 67. Kh2 Kf6 68. Kh1 Kf7 69. a5 Kf6 70. Kh2 Kf7 71. Kg3 Kf6 72. Kg2 Kf7 73. Kf3 Kf6 74. Kf2 Kf7 75. Ke3 Kf6 76. Ke2 Kf7 77. Kd3 Kf6 78. Kd2 Kf7 79. Kc3 Kf8 80. Kc2 Kf7 81. Kb3 Kf8 82. Kb2 Kf7 83. Ka3 Kf8 84. Ka2 Kf7 85. Ka1 Kf6 86. Kb2 Kf7 87. Kb1 Kf6 88. Kc2 Kf7 89. Kc1 Kf6 90. Kd2 Kf7 91. Kd1 Kf6 92. Ke2 Kf7 93. Ke1 Kf6 94. Kf2 Kf7 95. Kf1 Kf6 96. Kg2 Kf7 97. Kg1 Kf6 98. Kh2 Kf7 99. Kh1 Kf6 100. h6 Kf7 101. Kh2 Kf6 102. Kg3 Kf7 103. Kg2 Kf6 104. Kf3 Kf7 105. Kf2 Kf6 106. Ke3 Kf7 107. Ke2 Kf6 108. Kd3 Kf7 109. Kd2 Kf6 110. Kc3 Kf7 111. Kc2 Kf6 112. Kb3 Kf7 113. Kb2 Kf6 114. Ka3 Kf7 115. Ka2 Kf6 116. Ka1 Kf7 117. Kb2 Kf6 118. Kb1 Kf7 119. Kc2 Kf6 120. Kc1 Kf7 121. Kd2 Kf6 122. Kd1 Kf7 123. Ke2 Kf6 124. Ke1 Kf7 125. Kf2 Kf6 126. Kf1 Kf7 127. Kg2 Kf6 128. Kg1 Kf7 129. Kh2 Kf6 130. Kh1 Kf7 131. h7 Kg7 132. Kh2 Kh8 133. Kg3 Kg7 134. Kg2 Kh8 135. Kf3 Kg7 136. Kf2 Kh8 137. Ke3 Kg7 138. Ke2 Kh8 139. Kd3 Kg7 140. Kd2 Kh8 141. Kc3 Kg7 142. Kc2 Kh8 143. Kb3 Kg7 144. Kb2 Kh8 145. Ka3 Kg7 146. Ka2 Kh8 147. Ka1 Kg7 148. Kb2 Kh8 149. Kb1 Kg7 150. Kc2 Kh8 151. Kc1 Kg7 152. Kd2 Kh8 153. Kd1 Kg7 154. Ke2 Kh8 155. Ke1 Kg7 156. Kf2 Kh8 157. Kf1 Kg7 158. Kg2 Kh8 159. Kg1 Kg7 160. Kh2 Kh8 161. Kh1 Kg7 162. h8=Q+ Kxh8 163. Kh2 Kg7 164. Kg3 Kf7 165. Kg2 Kg7 166. Kf3 Kf7 167. Kf2 Kg7 168. Ke3 Kf7 169. Ke2 Kg7 170. Kd3 Kf7 171. Kd2 Kg7 172. Kc3 Kf7 173. Kc2 Kg7 174. Kb3 Kf7 175. Kb2 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

We made some changes to the bot settings today to make it play even faster (at queen odds only) and to reduce draws somewhat for all the bots except knight odds. The motivation for the speedup was primarily to avoid crashes, as have happened a couple time with all the new interest in the bots.

I wonder if reducing draws with queen odds means also that it is going to get more losses and if it is productive for the total score of it against humans.

It would be so if the draw margin had been set properly for queen odds, but it wasn't. It was going for draws in positions where it had an even chance against a knight-odds level opponent, not a queen-odds level opponent. The change should clearly help, but not by a lot as it was a mild change.

[lkaufman]

I can that I am surprised to see the following that mean increase in the rating of Leela relative to what I saw earlier:

LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2249.6

If she is 2249.6 then I am better than 2300 at blitz based on my results against her but it is clearly not the case.

You caught something here! Another major upgrade is planned, using a net actually trained for queen odds rather than one trained just for knight odds. Estimated gain was 150 elo. The actual Elo used for the current bot is 2100. The new numbers were posted a bit early, but are not being used until the switch actually happens, probably in a couple days. We want to be more sure of how much of an improvement it is and how to set parameters. I expect that the 2250 rating (at least) will be fully justified once it is released. I'll post here when it happens. The remaining bots may also be upgraded pretty soon. It's really remarkable how strong they are getting to be.