Marcus91 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm
The leaderboard has been updated once again; I'm always looking for better models
Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman and Marcus91. I hope you are well and continue well. Today is a new day, and the strength of love for the memory of my deceased Parents gave me the strength to go out to the street ring to fight against LeelaQueenForKnight. I played 15 time control games, all of them with black chips in 1.1 and my result is: A draw for me as a human, 15 losses. The machine beat me 14.5 to 0.5. The love for my Parents overcomes my pain. Machines will always be my target.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Marcus91 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm
The leaderboard has been updated once again; I'm always looking for better models
Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman and Marcus91. I hope you are well and continue well. Today is a new day, and the strength of love for the memory of my deceased Parents gave me the strength to go out to the street ring to fight against LeelaQueenForKnight. I played 15 time control games, all of them with black chips in 1.1 and my result is: A draw for me as a human, 15 losses. The machine beat me 14.5 to 0.5. The love for my Parents overcomes my pain. Machines will always be my target.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Marcus91 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm
The leaderboard has been updated once again; I'm always looking for better models
Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman and Marcus91. I hope you are well and continue well. Today is a new day, and the strength of love for the memory of my deceased Parents gave me the strength to go out to the street ring to fight against LeelaQueenForKnight. I played 15 time control games, all of them with black chips in 1.1 and my result is: A draw for me as a human, 15 losses. The machine beat me 14.5 to 0.5. The love for my Parents overcomes my pain. Machines will always be my target.
Father score:
16 games - 1 draw
100 games - X
Oponent Elo: 3483.
Father Elo: 3184
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Marcus91 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm
The leaderboard has been updated once again; I'm always looking for better models
Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman and Marcus91. I hope you are well and continue well. Today is a new day, and the strength of love for the memory of my deceased Parents gave me the strength to go out to the street ring to fight against LeelaQueenForKnight. I played 15 time control games, all of them with black chips in 1.1 and my result is: A draw for me as a human, 15 losses. The machine beat me 14.5 to 0.5. The love for my Parents overcomes my pain. Machines will always be my target.
Father score:
16 games - 1 draw
100 games - X
Oponent Elo: 3483.
Father Elo: 3184
The elo difference for that score is 597, twice what you are using. Probably you are setting the average elo to 3483, not the opponent elo. Even so, a 2886 bullet performance (based on rating of bot vs. "respectful_Dave" only) is still very good, above his rating which is very high. But of course as noted previously draw percentage against an opponent who doesn't mind draws is not a very reliable figure; much more meaningful is performance against a roughly equal opponent, which would be QueenOdds bot at a slower tc.
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:18 pm
another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1
Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.
I can add that maybe you are also too optimistic about 2500 level for the knight bot at 90+30.
If you underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and blitz then maybe you also underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and 90+30 time control.
Yes, I believe so too, however estimating how much is not easy, we will have a clearer vision after a match at 90+30 2500 level and 15+10 2700 level, should both be close matches though
Today a grandmaster, apparently from Israel, won a seven game Rapid series from Leela Knight Odds, by 4 to 3, at 15' + 5". I believe he is the first player to win a series at any TC from this bot since it was upgraded to use the current net. His handle is "killer840" with a 2586 blitz rating. Since you (Uri) know many top Israeli players, do you have an idea who this might be? He can be considered to be world champion of knight odds, so far at least.
Marcus91 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:14 pm
The leaderboard has been updated once again; I'm always looking for better models
Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman and Marcus91. I hope you are well and continue well. Today is a new day, and the strength of love for the memory of my deceased Parents gave me the strength to go out to the street ring to fight against LeelaQueenForKnight. I played 15 time control games, all of them with black chips in 1.1 and my result is: A draw for me as a human, 15 losses. The machine beat me 14.5 to 0.5. The love for my Parents overcomes my pain. Machines will always be my target.
Father score:
16 games - 1 draw
100 games - X
Oponent Elo: 3483.
Father Elo: 3184
The elo difference for that score is 597, twice what you are using. Probably you are setting the average elo to 3483, not the opponent elo. Even so, a 2886 bullet performance (based on rating of bot vs. "respectful_Dave" only) is still very good, above his rating which is very high. But of course as noted previously draw percentage against an opponent who doesn't mind draws is not a very reliable figure; much more meaningful is performance against a roughly equal opponent, which would be QueenOdds bot at a slower tc.
Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for correcting my error in calculating the elo level; I did an estimated operation. I have been observing some players facing LeelaQueenForKnight, and in particular I evaluated two trends: The first technique is the system of repeating plays to tie used by a Fide Master who appears with 1500 Elo, called "Mind0Fkind", I don't know what Elo Fide he would possess. I also observed Uriblass in 1+1 and I liked his step-by-step path, I think it is the correct one... Mr. Larry Kaufman, I don't know what place on the table I could reach but it is clear to me that I will try to hit the floor of the ring to all opponents, call each other. Nakamura or another name, it doesn't matter.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:18 pm
another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1
Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.
I can add that maybe you are also too optimistic about 2500 level for the knight bot at 90+30.
If you underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and blitz then maybe you also underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and 90+30 time control.
Yes, I believe so too, however estimating how much is not easy, we will have a clearer vision after a match at 90+30 2500 level and 15+10 2700 level, should both be close matches though
Today a grandmaster, apparently from Israel, won a seven game Rapid series from Leela Knight Odds, by 4 to 3, at 15' + 5". I believe he is the first player to win a series at any TC from this bot since it was upgraded to use the current net. His handle is "killer840" with a 2586 blitz rating. Since you (Uri) know many top Israeli players, do you have an idea who this might be? He can be considered to be world champion of knight odds, so far at least.
I do not know and I will try to find out but I am surprised that the GM could not win KBN vs K endgame
There is a huge difference for me between 1+1 and 3+2 against the knight against queen bot.
I lost 88 bullet games at 1+1 and could get a draw in the third try at 3+2
Note that I did not try to do my best against the 1+1 bot because this means learning a special book against the odds bot to play from memory.
I did not try to win and after 88 losses at 1+1 when I also tried to get a draw I decided that a draw with 3+2 time control is enough(I could beat it in the past with 5+3 time control but 3+2 is faster than 5+3 and I understood that the bot I beat in 5+3 was weaker than the bot of today).
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:18 pm
another game of the master when he could win but it seems that his rook had some problem to make a long move and played the losing Rf2 instead of Rxf1
Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman and Mr. Uriblass.
My hardware will need to be repaired in the shop. Defects have been detected and I will go into repair. I want to thank you both very especially for the dialogue around the posts started last September, for your patience and interest in the topic. If my Programmer from Heaven wants me back in battle, count on me tomorrow. Excuse me when I have been rude and apparently a bit vain, I just wanted to be faithful to the truth. I also want to thank the team behind the chess and computer hardware and software. No one at all is beyond the reach of my gratitude. Thanks again!! I send a big hug to the street players, to the players to the coffee players and to the Masters. Since my beginnings as a chess player, I have always believed that we are all good players. There will simply always be those who see a little more, a little less, self-esteem should never be lost, respect for other players is the very essence of combat, that is, the dignity that war and peace must entail for the opponent.
Sincerely,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
It seems that the LeelaQueenOdds bot has attained your goal of performing at LiChess 2500+ level in 3'0" chess. While there haven't been many games at that precise time control with Leela playing White as is customary in odds play (mostly by Respectful_Dave who broke even in ten games and is rated 2440 blitz but over 2800 bullet), even at 3'2" results are close to 2500 level, and at 1'1" close to 2700 (blitz rating) level, so I think it's clear that it would keep a rating over 2500 at 3'0". But the dropoff with longer time limits, in the Rapid range, is more severe than we expected. Players below master level can beat the bot in Rapid, but not typically in blitz. However the queen for knight bot seems to require something like IM level to be competitive even in Rapid.
I can add that maybe you are also too optimistic about 2500 level for the knight bot at 90+30.
If you underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and blitz then maybe you also underestimate the difference with odds between rapid and 90+30 time control.
Yes, I believe so too, however estimating how much is not easy, we will have a clearer vision after a match at 90+30 2500 level and 15+10 2700 level, should both be close matches though
Today a grandmaster, apparently from Israel, won a seven game Rapid series from Leela Knight Odds, by 4 to 3, at 15' + 5". I believe he is the first player to win a series at any TC from this bot since it was upgraded to use the current net. His handle is "killer840" with a 2586 blitz rating. Since you (Uri) know many top Israeli players, do you have an idea who this might be? He can be considered to be world champion of knight odds, so far at least.
Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like you to help me with adjusting my elo in LeelaQieenOdds. I estimate that it must have risen a lot given the high reference values of our time controls at 1.0 in 54 games and 1+1. Thank you very much for your collaboration. I wish you a happy day.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
What is wrong with 82...e5 when the opponent has only 2.4 seconds on the clock in 1+0 game instead of allowing a draw with the 50 move rule?
The excuse of not knowing who is the opponent is not convincing.
Even if you assume that you play against a strong GM I believe 82...e5 is winning when the strong GM has only 2.4 seconds to finish the game.