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Terry McCracken
Post by Terry McCracken Fri May 11, 2007 10:43 pm
If only it were this easy all the time
I played vintage Fritz 6 just now and it played a terrible "Book Line", the game
went on wheels , but a win is a win
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bd3 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.N1f3 Bd6 8.Qe2 h6 9.Ne4 Nxe4 10.Qxe4 Nf6 11.Qe2 Qc7 12.Bd2 b6 13.0–0–0 Bb7 14.Ne5 c5 15.Bb5+ Ke7 16.dxc5 Qxc5 17.a3 Nd5 18.Kb1 Rhd8 19.f4 Rac8 20.Bd3 Qc7 21.Rhe1 Kf8 22.g4 Kg8 23.h4 a5 24.g5 hxg5 25.hxg5 Bxe5 26.fxe5 b5 27.g6 Ne7 28.gxf7+ Kf8 29.Qh5 Rxd3 30.cxd3 Qc2+ 31.Ka1 b4 32.Rf1 Nf5 33.Rxf5 exf5 34.e6 bxa3 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Bg5+ Kd6 37.f8Q+ Rxf8 38.Qxf8+ Kc6 39.Qe8+ Kb6 40.Qd8+ 1–0
Fritz resigned.
In Memory of the Good Old Days Regards,
Terry
mariaclara
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Post by mariaclara Sat May 12, 2007 6:41 pm
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JVMerlino
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Post by JVMerlino Sat May 12, 2007 8:20 pm
Very odd. This game exactly follows a GM game up through 26.fxe5. In that game, which ended in a draw. Black follows with the perfectly reasonable 26...Ne7. Fritz's 26.b5 makes no sense at all.
[Event "Open"]
[Site "Berlin GER"]
[Date "1997.08.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Glek, Igor V"]
[Black "Epishin, Vladimir V"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
[WhiteElo "2505"]
[WhiteCountry "RUS"]
[BlackTitle "IGM"]
[BlackElo "2570"]
[BlackCountry "RUS"]
[ECO "B17"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Ng5 Ngf6 6. Bd3 e6 7. N1f3 Bd6 8. Qe2 h6 9. Ne4 Nxe4 10. Qxe4 Nf6 11. Qe2 Qc7 12. Bd2 b6 13. O-O-O Bb7 14.Ne5 c5 15. Bb5+ Ke7 16. dxc5 Qxc5 17. a3 Nd5 18. Kb1 Rhd8 19. f4 Rac8 20.Bd3 Qc7 21. Rhe1 Kf8 22. g4 Kg8 23. h4 a5 24. g5 hxg5 25. hxg5 Bxe5 26. fxe5 Ne7 27. Bc1 Ng6 28. Qh2 Rd5 29. Re3 Rcd8 30. Rde1 Rxd3 31. Rxd3 Rxd3 32.cxd3 Qd7 33. Qd2 Ne7 34. Qc3 Qc6 35. Ka1 Qa4 36. b3 Qh4 37. Bd2 Nd5 1/2-1/2
jm
Terry McCracken
Post by Terry McCracken Sun May 13, 2007 3:43 am
Some of us, actually play chess
Terry McCracken
Post by Terry McCracken Sun May 13, 2007 4:39 am
JVMerlino wrote: Very odd. This game exactly follows a GM game up through 26.fxe5. In that game, which ended in a draw. Black follows with the perfectly reasonable 26...Ne7. Fritz's 26.b5 makes no sense at all.
[Event "Open"]
[Site "Berlin GER"]
[Date "1997.08.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Glek, Igor V"]
[Black "Epishin, Vladimir V"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
[WhiteElo "2505"]
[WhiteCountry "RUS"]
[BlackTitle "IGM"]
[BlackElo "2570"]
[BlackCountry "RUS"]
[ECO "B17"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Ng5 Ngf6 6. Bd3 e6 7. N1f3 Bd6 8. Qe2 h6 9. Ne4 Nxe4 10. Qxe4 Nf6 11. Qe2 Qc7 12. Bd2 b6 13. O-O-O Bb7 14.Ne5 c5 15. Bb5+ Ke7 16. dxc5 Qxc5 17. a3 Nd5 18. Kb1 Rhd8 19. f4 Rac8 20.Bd3 Qc7 21. Rhe1 Kf8 22. g4 Kg8 23. h4 a5 24. g5 hxg5 25. hxg5 Bxe5 26. fxe5 Ne7 27. Bc1 Ng6 28. Qh2 Rd5 29. Re3 Rcd8 30. Rde1 Rxd3 31. Rxd3 Rxd3 32.cxd3 Qd7 33. Qd2 Ne7 34. Qc3 Qc6 35. Ka1 Qa4 36. b3 Qh4 37. Bd2 Nd5 1/2-1/2
jm
You're right John, b5?? is a blunder. Regardless, Black's opening isn't the best, White stands much better imo and worse, Glek oversighted a win later in the game.
Terry
nuff
Post by nuff Sun May 13, 2007 4:16 pm
Terry McCracken wrote: If only it were this easy all the time
I played vintage Fritz 6 just now and it played a terrible "Book Line", the game
went on wheels , but a win is a win
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bd3 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.N1f3 Bd6 8.Qe2 h6 9.Ne4 Nxe4 10.Qxe4 Nf6 11.Qe2 Qc7 12.Bd2 b6 13.0–0–0 Bb7 14.Ne5 c5 15.Bb5+ Ke7 16.dxc5 Qxc5 17.a3 Nd5 18.Kb1 Rhd8 19.f4 Rac8 20.Bd3 Qc7 21.Rhe1 Kf8 22.g4 Kg8 23.h4 a5 24.g5 hxg5 25.hxg5 Bxe5 26.fxe5 b5 27.g6 Ne7 28.gxf7+ Kf8 29.Qh5 Rxd3 30.cxd3 Qc2+ 31.Ka1 b4 32.Rf1 Nf5 33.Rxf5 exf5 34.e6 bxa3 35.Qh8+ Ke7 36.Bg5+ Kd6 37.f8Q+ Rxf8 38.Qxf8+ Kc6 39.Qe8+ Kb6 40.Qd8+ 1–0
Fritz resigned.
In Memory of the Good Old Days Regards,
Terry
That pgn would not load because the O-O should be 0-0. Fritz 6 gave a ?? to the 26 ..b5 and wanted to play 26..Ne7. Do you have the raw output with the evaluations? What time control was that?
Vempele
Post by Vempele Sun May 13, 2007 4:29 pm
nuff wrote: That pgn would not load because the O-O should be 0-0.
It most definitely should not! O-O is the only correct way according to the pgn standard, so whatever buggy GUI you're using is at fault.
nuff
Post by nuff Sun May 13, 2007 4:54 pm
Vempele wrote: nuff wrote: That pgn would not load because the O-O should be 0-0.
It most definitely should not! O-O is the only correct way according to the pgn standard, so whatever buggy GUI you're using is at fault.
Copy what Terry has posted above into Winboard and see. The raw output of what Fritz outputed would not have this problem. PGN standard states that it should be letter O not zero. That should be O-O-O.
mariaclara
Posts: 4186Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:31 pmLocation: Sulu Sea
Post by mariaclara Sun May 13, 2007 8:14 pm
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Terry McCracken
Post by Terry McCracken Sun May 13, 2007 8:38 pm
You're right, Fritz 6 played badly with b5??, truly an odd mistake.
So it played a book line that wasn't the best, and made a blunder also...lucky me.
