which engines play after 1.d4 d5 ....2.c4 ?

[Togga]

hi, na prawde?

are you gm or im player?

i also not always played 2.c4:)

[Dann Corbit]

but it is good that not all engines play 2.c4 because it would be very boring when all engines play always the same moves.

They don't all play 2.c4
Besides which, you can give them an opening book that expressly forbids it if you like.

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4
Yes, I know... it's a terrible disease (and without any cure).

[Stephen Ham]

but it is good that not all engines play 2.c4 because it would be very boring when all engines play always the same moves.

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4.

Hi Dann,

Please consider a suggestion then. I think the "best" reply to 1 b4 is 1...e5. So, those who want to avoid Black's "best" defense should first play 1 Nf3, and only then 2 b4.

I acknowledge that some 1 b4 advocates actually enjoy playing against 1...e5. But I think those people are unaware of the subsequent "best play" from Black.

All the best,
Steve

[Dann Corbit]

but it is good that not all engines play 2.c4 because it would be very boring when all engines play always the same moves.

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4.

Hi Dann,

Please consider a suggestion then. I think the "best" reply to 1 b4 is 1...e5. So, those who want to avoid Black's "best" defense should first play 1 Nf3, and only then 2 b4.

I acknowledge that some 1 b4 advocates actually enjoy playing against 1...e5. But I think those people are unaware of the subsequent "best play" from Black.

All the best,
Steve

I imagine the sequence follows with this much at least:
Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 ...

I do realize that there is a small advantage for black in the Orangutan, but quite frankly, I don't care. For some reason that I cannot explain, it feels beautiful to me.

Can you let me in on the surprise if you have something sneaky in mind against it?

[swami]

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4
Yes, I know... it's a terrible disease (and without any cure).

I'm fond of Catalan System/Colle System/English Opening.

I once played 1.b4 in a tournament, with good record.

[Dann Corbit]

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4
Yes, I know... it's a terrible disease (and without any cure).

I'm fond of Catalan System/Colle System/English Opening.

I once played 1.b4 in a tournament, with good record.

Examine Movei's record in the Orangutan in tournaments and rating lists.
It performs above Elo baseline.
{I wrote the movei book}

[Stephen Ham]

but it is good that not all engines play 2.c4 because it would be very boring when all engines play always the same moves.

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4.

Hi Dann,

Please consider a suggestion then. I think the "best" reply to 1 b4 is 1...e5. So, those who want to avoid Black's "best" defense should first play 1 Nf3, and only then 2 b4.

I acknowledge that some 1 b4 advocates actually enjoy playing against 1...e5. But I think those people are unaware of the subsequent "best play" from Black.

All the best,
Steve

I imagine the sequence follows with this much at least:
Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 ...

I do realize that there is a small advantage for black in the Orangutan, but quite frankly, I don't care. For some reason that I cannot explain, it feels beautiful to me.

Can you let me in on the surprise if you have something sneaky in mind against it?

Hi Dann,

You're correct that the above live favors Black. That's why I recommend that White avoid it by playing 1 Nf3 and then 2 b4. White gets his Orangutan while avoiding giving Black an opening advantage.

All the best,
Steve

[swami]

Hi Steve, good suggestion but with Nf3 c5, or Nf3 e6...there will not be any Orangutan opening anymore.

You're correct that the above live favors Black. That's why I recommend that White avoid it by playing 1 Nf3 and then 2 b4. White gets his Orangutan while avoiding giving Black an opening advantage.

[michiguel]

but it is good that not all engines play 2.c4 because it would be very boring when all engines play always the same moves.

Personally, I'm rather fond of 1. b4.

Hi Dann,

Please consider a suggestion then. I think the "best" reply to 1 b4 is 1...e5. So, those who want to avoid Black's "best" defense should first play 1 Nf3, and only then 2 b4.

I acknowledge that some 1 b4 advocates actually enjoy playing against 1...e5. But I think those people are unaware of the subsequent "best play" from Black.

All the best,
Steve

I imagine the sequence follows with this much at least:
Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 ...

I do realize that there is a small advantage for black in the Orangutan, but quite frankly, I don't care. For some reason that I cannot explain, it feels beautiful to me.

Can you let me in on the surprise if you have something sneaky in mind against it?

Hi Dann,

You're correct that the above live favors Black. That's why I recommend that White avoid it by playing 1 Nf3 and then 2 b4. White gets his Orangutan while avoiding giving Black an opening advantage.

All the best,
Steve

FWIW, that is the Santasiere variation, which deserves to be played more often.

I am not so sure that 1. b4 e5 is advantage for black. Black may have a comfortable game but white is not that bad.
Miguel

[Togga]

most engines do not play 2.c4 at short timecontrols.

i dont know much about 1.b4.

in CA base 1.b3 has better score than 1.b4.