I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

[BrendanJNorman]

Look at the games using Lichess analysis...in almost every game ChessLearner1979 blunders badly (according to SF 14)

Cheat detection has come a long way from merely checking for engine move matching. And cheats are rarely dumb enough to use an engine for ALL moves nowadays either.

The detection algorithms sites use nowadays are close to 100% accurate and take into account countless variables before giving a final score/result.

Variables could be:

- What was the average time used for accurate moves? (This measures manual relay time between GUI and browser. For example, a cheat will usually use very similar amounts of time to screen switch, update the position and ponder)

- How many of the accurate moves were "only moves"? (as in, any other move results in big centipawn score loss)

- Age of account (banned users usually return with new accounts)

- Difference in rating (Upsets are rare, but happen. This would be weighted low, but still weighted in overall score)

And so on. Tons of data points.

The sum of such a big amount of data is usually a very reliable score. I know chess.com uses a very sophisticated algorithm like this and assume lichess now does too.

Then again, the way this guy talks to people here, he might have just been banned for being rude to opponents.

Who knows? He's likely to stick to his "hacker" story.

Sorry to say that cheat detection at lichess is not even close to 100%. I have two BOTs that run very small nets on lc0 at low number of nodes per move. Humans struggle against them, but a decent engine goes through them like a hot knife through butter.

I used to report cheats every week and get refunded plenty of elo. But that gets tiring. Now I just let it ride, and both BOTs are about 200 elo lower than they used to be. Life’s too short.

(MiniHuman and leela2200 are the BOTs)

Maybe bot accounts aren't given the same protections as human accounts? Of course, they'd probably never say this explicitly, but it's possible and a decent way for them to save resources.

Alternatively, maybe their algorithm (which sites keep a secret to avoid cheats learning the loopholes) needs at least 1 human opponent to be optimally working?

What I do know, is that as a player playing in the 2300 range, I have sometimes be crushed by an engine, only for the points to be refunded a few days later.

[Chessqueen]

[quote=Guenther post_id=907190 time=1632920273 user_id=4222]
[quote=Chessqueen post_id=907066 time=1632833665 user_id=10732]


I was reinstated based on several analysis done. I simply told them to analyzed all the games and to let me know what engines would blunder this way and it took them 35 minutes to reinstate me, and I suggested to get a different handler NOT Chesslearner 1979. Also my online chess trainer spoke with them and told them about my progress since I became his online chess student. Now my online instructor asked me if I was exhausted when I played specially this game, My answer was I am only human. Here for all of you look at this game and tell me what engines would play like this? and yes Guenter Simmon I believe that you reported me but they saw my games and asked my online chess instructor that what rating he thinks I am and he told them, probably around 1975 to 2050, but Lichess rating seems to be inflated. I will not provide my handler, or give any suspicious Link my Handler or password from now on, but yes I was reinstated. Now here is one of the game that they took into consideration for making their decision. Of course I could have played better, but rapid games sometimes put a lot of pressure on you specially if you are not too used to playing fast.

[Event "Rated Rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/7Az8exf8"]
[Date "2021.09.28"]
[White "semlamaster"]
[Black "ChessLearner1979"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2021.09.28"]
[UTCTime "20:34:10"]
[WhiteElo "2215"]
[BlackElo "2226"]
[WhiteRatingDiff "+18"]
[BlackRatingDiff "-51"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "600+0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[Opening "Indian Defense"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 { A45 Indian Defense } 2. Bf4 c5 3. d5 d6 4. c4 e5 5. dxe6?! { (0.37 → -0.20) Inaccuracy. Bg5 was best. } (5. Bg5 h6 6. Bd2 g6 7. e3 Bg7 8. Ne2 O-O 9. Ng3 h5) 5... Bxe6 6. e3 Ne4?! { (-0.40 → 0.21) Inaccuracy. Nc6 was best. } (6... Nc6 7. Nc3 Qa5 8. Qb3 Rb8 9. Qb5 Nh5 10. Nh3 Bxh3 11. gxh3) 7. Nf3? { (0.21 → -0.86) Mistake. Bd3 was best. } (7. Bd3) 7... g5 8. Bg3 Bg7 9. Qc2? { (-1.06 → -2.39) Mistake. Qb3 was best. } (9. Qb3 Nc6 10. Nfd2 Qa5 11. Bd3 Nxg3 12. hxg3 Nb4 13. Be2 d5 14. cxd5 Bxd5 15. Bc4 O-O-O) 9... Nc6? { (-2.39 → -1.17) Mistake. Bf5 was best. } (9... Bf5 10. Qb3) 10. a3? { (-1.17 → -2.81) Mistake. Nbd2 was best. } (10. Nbd2 Nxg3) 10... h5?? { (-2.81 → 0.53) Blunder. Qa5+ was best. } (10... Qa5+) 11. Qxe4 h4 12. Bxh4 Qa5+ 13. Nbd2 gxh4 14. Rb1 O-O-O 15. Ng5?? { (0.23 → -1.80) Blunder. Qc2 was best. } (15. Qc2 h3 16. g3 Rh5 17. Be2 d5 18. O-O d4 19. exd4 cxd4 20. b4 Qxa3 21. Rb3 Qa4) 15... d5 16. Qc2 d4 17. Nxe6 dxe3?! { (-1.87 → -1.10) Inaccuracy. fxe6 was best. } (17... fxe6 18. Be2) 18. fxe3 fxe6 19. Be2 Bh6?! { (-1.50 → -0.68) Inaccuracy. h3 was best. } (19... h3 20. g3) 20. Qc3 Qxc3 21. bxc3 h3?! { (-0.61 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. Rhg8 was best. } (21... Rhg8 22. g3) 22. g3 Bxe3 23. Ne4 Ne5 24. Rf1 Kc7 25. Rf6 Rhf8?? { (0.62 → 2.68) Blunder. Rh6 was best. } (25... Rh6 26. Rxh6) 26. Rxe6 Rfe8?! { (2.74 → 3.63) Inaccuracy. Nd7 was best. } (26... Nd7 27. Bd3 Rfe8 28. Rxb7+ Kxb7 29. Nd6+ Kb8 30. Rxe8 Rxe8 31. Nxe8 Bg1 32. Be2 a5 33. Kf1) 27. Rxe8 Nd3+? { (3.71 → 7.21) Mistake. Rxe8 was best. } (27... Rxe8 28. Nf6) 28. Bxd3 Rxe8 29. Ke2 Bg5 30. Kf3 Be7 31. Kg4 Rd8 32. Rd1 a6 33. Kxh3 Kb6 34. Kg2 Rb8 35. h4 Rh8 36. Kh3 Kc7 37. Rh1 Rd8 38. Nf2 Rf8 39. Kg2 Rd8 40. g4 Bf6 41. Be4 Bxc3 42. Bd5 b5 43. h5 bxc4 44. Bxc4 Rd4 45. Bxa6 Ra4 46. Bc4 Bh8 47. Be6 Rxa3 48. Rh3 Ra6 49. Bf5 c4 50. h6 Ra5 51. h7 Ra8 52. Rg3 Re8 53. g5 c3 54. g6 Bg7 55. Rf3 Re7 56. Bb1 Bd4 57. Rf7 Kd7 58. Rxe7+ Kxe7 59. Bc2 Bh8 60. Ng4 Kd6 61. Kh3 Kd7 62. Kh4 Ke6 63. Kh5 Bd4?! { (19.18 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Ke7 was best. } (63... Ke7 64. Nh6) 64. Kh6 { White wins on time. } 1-0


[pgn][Event "Rated Rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/7Az8exf8"]
[Date "2021.09.28"]
[White "semlamaster"]
[Black "ChessLearner1979"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2021.09.28"]
[UTCTime "20:34:10"]
[WhiteElo "2215"]
[BlackElo "2226"]
[WhiteRatingDiff "+18"]
[BlackRatingDiff "-51"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "600+0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[Opening "Indian Defense"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 { A45 Indian Defense } 2. Bf4 c5 3. d5 d6 4. c4 e5 5. dxe6?! { (0.37 → -0.20) Inaccuracy. Bg5 was best. } (5. Bg5 h6 6. Bd2 g6 7. e3 Bg7 8. Ne2 O-O 9. Ng3 h5) 5... Bxe6 6. e3 Ne4?! { (-0.40 → 0.21) Inaccuracy. Nc6 was best. } (6... Nc6 7. Nc3 Qa5 8. Qb3 Rb8 9. Qb5 Nh5 10. Nh3 Bxh3 11. gxh3) 7. Nf3? { (0.21 → -0.86) Mistake. Bd3 was best. } (7. Bd3) 7... g5 8. Bg3 Bg7 9. Qc2? { (-1.06 → -2.39) Mistake. Qb3 was best. } (9. Qb3 Nc6 10. Nfd2 Qa5 11. Bd3 Nxg3 12. hxg3 Nb4 13. Be2 d5 14. cxd5 Bxd5 15. Bc4 O-O-O) 9... Nc6? { (-2.39 → -1.17) Mistake. Bf5 was best. } (9... Bf5 10. Qb3) 10. a3? { (-1.17 → -2.81) Mistake. Nbd2 was best. } (10. Nbd2 Nxg3) 10... h5?? { (-2.81 → 0.53) Blunder. Qa5+ was best. } (10... Qa5+) 11. Qxe4 h4 12. Bxh4 Qa5+ 13. Nbd2 gxh4 14. Rb1 O-O-O 15. Ng5?? { (0.23 → -1.80) Blunder. Qc2 was best. } (15. Qc2 h3 16. g3 Rh5 17. Be2 d5 18. O-O d4 19. exd4 cxd4 20. b4 Qxa3 21. Rb3 Qa4) 15... d5 16. Qc2 d4 17. Nxe6 dxe3?! { (-1.87 → -1.10) Inaccuracy. fxe6 was best. } (17... fxe6 18. Be2) 18. fxe3 fxe6 19. Be2 Bh6?! { (-1.50 → -0.68) Inaccuracy. h3 was best. } (19... h3 20. g3) 20. Qc3 Qxc3 21. bxc3 h3?! { (-0.61 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. Rhg8 was best. } (21... Rhg8 22. g3) 22. g3 Bxe3 23. Ne4 Ne5 24. Rf1 Kc7 25. Rf6 Rhf8?? { (0.62 → 2.68) Blunder. Rh6 was best. } (25... Rh6 26. Rxh6) 26. Rxe6 Rfe8?! { (2.74 → 3.63) Inaccuracy. Nd7 was best. } (26... Nd7 27. Bd3 Rfe8 28. Rxb7+ Kxb7 29. Nd6+ Kb8 30. Rxe8 Rxe8 31. Nxe8 Bg1 32. Be2 a5 33. Kf1) 27. Rxe8 Nd3+? { (3.71 → 7.21) Mistake. Rxe8 was best. } (27... Rxe8 28. Nf6) 28. Bxd3 Rxe8 29. Ke2 Bg5 30. Kf3 Be7 31. Kg4 Rd8 32. Rd1 a6 33. Kxh3 Kb6 34. Kg2 Rb8 35. h4 Rh8 36. Kh3 Kc7 37. Rh1 Rd8 38. Nf2 Rf8 39. Kg2 Rd8 40. g4 Bf6 41. Be4 Bxc3 42. Bd5 b5 43. h5 bxc4 44. Bxc4 Rd4 45. Bxa6 Ra4 46. Bc4 Bh8 47. Be6 Rxa3 48. Rh3 Ra6 49. Bf5 c4 50. h6 Ra5 51. h7 Ra8 52. Rg3 Re8 53. g5 c3 54. g6 Bg7 55. Rf3 Re7 56. Bb1 Bd4 57. Rf7 Kd7 58. Rxe7+ Kxe7 59. Bc2 Bh8 60. Ng4 Kd6 61. Kh3 Kd7 62. Kh4 Ke6 63. Kh5 Bd4?! { (19.18 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Ke7 was best. } (63... Ke7 64. Nh6) 64. Kh6 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[KLc]

Better than TV here!

[Vernon Crawford]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

[AdminX]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

The account still shows banned, looks like only a new account was created.

[Chessqueen]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

The account still shows banned, looks like only a new account was created.

I asked for a new Handler and a new account was created Not (ChessLearner 1979) with a new email since my email was also hacked, but I will not give information to any fake Link that is not authentic, and only will use Lichess once or twice per week playing no more than 4 games to see my progress.

[Chessqueen]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

I only play chess, since the fast rapid time of TC 10 minutes did not give any time to write or post anything, and when I am playing unless I am exhausted, I only think of moves not to write or post anything, about the game in progress.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

It is not necessary for anybody to apologize, the world is entitle to give their own opinion, and more if they believe that something wrong or fishy happened. People are and act like news reporters, and since I have been too opiniated here on this forum, and posted too many nonsense, I will behave different so people here stop accusing me of being a troll

[amanjpro]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

Happy to hear what exactly? The account is no longer active. I don't say cheating or what, but whatever chessqueen says about the account makes exactly zero sense...

[Guenther]

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)

P.S. This is why I stopped playing any time control above 3 minutes online. People like this.

You know for a fact that the account was terminated due to cheating?
Awfully hurtful thing to post, especially without evidence.

Termination can also be other factors too... violating anything in the TOS is just cause.
Being rude, for example.

He can always appeal, false positives do happen and the account will be restored.

I was reinstated based on several analysis done. ...'snip'

Happy to hear that Chessqueen! Seems like a couple of people here owe you an apology.

Happy to hear what exactly? The account is no longer active. I don't say cheating or what, but whatever chessqueen says about the account makes exactly zero sense...

Whatever cheesequeen says is plain lying (since ever - hundreds of examples in the forum) and of course
he has found a new 'friend' in the recently appeared 'vernon' troll. (check his posts lol)

The whole lichess episode is such a typical dramedy from him...I could hint to several lies to each and every post
since he was banned for cheating. (remember his famous excuse - it was my 'twin brother'?)

Some people have just too much time to waste for nothing.

[KLc]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania