I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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I'm really surprised the USCF profile (and thus all the personal information) is indeed correct because the spelling and grammar is so bad that I thought he can't be from the US. Wow.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Uri Blass wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:25 pm
amanjpro wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:46 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:10 pm
Guenther wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 am
Guenther wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:57 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:54 pm

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)
https://lichess.org/@/ChessLearner1979/all

And no I did not report you - some other people were faster ;)

I do not know what Guenther got out of this by reporting me with no base or whatsoever, but he must feel ashamed for doing it, since still he does not rest and continue to accuse me of cheating, I just found out that it was him who reported me, I have friends everywhere. and he keep bringing my twin brother into every discussion whenever he has an opportunity, but for over a year my twin brother and I are in peace with each other and that should be the end of bringing my twin brother into every post as much as Guenther can, obviously he must fell hurt to have reported me and knowing that I was reinstated with a different account and handler, which he will never find out, since he will stir up problem in the near future. As anybody can see this game obviously I must be beating everybody even magnus Carlsen since according to Guenther I used engines to play and my game are perfect without any margin of error, WOW, how can he still support that ridiculous theory. Anybody her can copy and paste this game into Stockfish, Komodo, Ethereal, or whatever top engine they decide to and see for themselves that Guenther theory of cheating has no ground.
Ooh baby, let me get some facts straight for your fantasy world, just for those who don't know you:

1. I did not report you (already told in original post)
2. I am not Lichess and Lichess bannned you for cheating - it's not 'my theory' lol
3. There are gazillions of ways to cheat and you know it of course which makes your Carlsen blabla even more funny
and digging your hole deeper
4. Brendan gave you already a little hint about some of the different ways to cheat
5. I looked at some of your games and it was clear that you played a bit on your own in the beginning (crappy as you are as <1200 USCF player)
till early middlegame just to finish perfectly the whole game from there until the end and the move speed was typical for two computer usage (much too slow and even in time pressure completely inhuman slow - I could tell more but I won't reveal it to not stimulate more cheaters)
6. Your hacker story lol
7. your account is still dead and nothing was reinstated (of course you can any time open a new one with a new email)
8. The new account will not survive long too thanks to Irvin

This case is closed

Guess what? You can be cheater even if you lose (mostly on time for cheaters)
Look at this funny time management lol
Time graph here:
https://lichess.org/DFaaCXhp/black#59

[pgn][Event "Rated Rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/DFaaCXhp"]
[Date "2021.09.29"]
[White "Shimon64"]
[Black "ChessLearner1979"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2021.09.29"]
[UTCTime "11:40:17"]
[WhiteElo "2313"]
[BlackElo "2315"]
[WhiteRatingDiff "+6"]
[BlackRatingDiff "-31"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "600+0"]
[ECO "A46"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]

1. d4 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:10:00] } 1... Nf6 { [%eval 0.27] [%clk 0:10:00] }
2. Nf3 { [%eval 0.12] [%clk 0:09:58] } 2... c5 { [%eval 0.58] [%clk 0:09:40] }
3. c3 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:56] } 3... e6 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:07] }
4. Bg5 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:48] } 4... Nc6 { [%eval -0.01] [%clk 0:08:51] }
5. e3 { [%eval -0.09] [%clk 0:09:41] } 5... Qb6 { [%eval 0.12] [%clk 0:08:09] }
6. Qb3 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:35] } 6... Ne4 { [%eval 0.5] [%clk 0:07:51] }
7. Bh4 { [%eval 0.04] [%clk 0:09:31] } 7... d5 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:07:23] }
8. Nbd2 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:15] } 8... Nxd2 { [%eval 0.06] [%clk 0:07:12] }
9. Nxd2 { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 0:09:11] } 9... h6 { [%eval 0.24] [%clk 0:06:55] }
10. Nf3 { [%eval 0.2] [%clk 0:08:48] } 10... Bd7 { [%eval 0.22] [%clk 0:06:38] }
11. Be2 { [%eval 0.21] [%clk 0:08:36] } 11... c4 { [%eval 0.43] [%clk 0:06:15] }
12. Qxb6 { [%eval -0.28] [%clk 0:08:24] } 12... axb6 { [%eval -0.16] [%clk 0:06:12] }
13. O-O { [%eval -0.21] [%clk 0:08:22] } 13... f6 { [%eval -0.13] [%clk 0:05:51] }
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15. Rfc1 { [%eval -1.78] [%clk 0:08:08] } 15... b5 { [%eval -1.72] [%clk 0:05:17] }
16. Nd2 { [%eval -1.67] [%clk 0:07:50] } 16... h5 { [%eval -1.75] [%clk 0:04:44] }
17. f3 { [%eval -1.84] [%clk 0:07:45] } 17... g5 { [%eval -1.9] [%clk 0:04:31] }
18. Be1 { [%eval -2.12] [%clk 0:07:38] } 18... f5 { [%eval -1.75] [%clk 0:04:15] }
19. Nb1 { [%eval -1.67] [%clk 0:07:34] } 19... Ra6 { [%eval -1.58] [%clk 0:04:04] }
20. a3 { [%eval -1.67] [%clk 0:07:31] } 20... g4 { [%eval -1.21] [%clk 0:03:46] }
21. f4 { [%eval -1.33] [%clk 0:07:27] } 21... Na7 { [%eval -0.83] [%clk 0:03:06] }
22. Rc2 { [%eval -1.37] [%clk 0:07:21] } 22... h4 { [%eval -0.91] [%clk 0:02:46] }
23. Rca2 { [%eval -1.59] [%clk 0:07:19] } 23... Nc8 { [%eval -0.88] [%clk 0:02:36] }
24. Bd1 { [%eval -1.63] [%clk 0:07:15] } 24... b6 { [%eval -0.43] [%clk 0:02:22] }
25. a4 { [%eval -1.06] [%clk 0:07:08] } 25... bxa4 { [%eval -1.92] [%clk 0:02:05] }
26. Bxa4 { [%eval -1.4] [%clk 0:07:03] } 26... Rxa4 { [%eval -1.16] [%clk 0:01:51] }
27. Rxa4 { [%eval -1.44] [%clk 0:07:00] } 27... Bxa4 { [%eval -1.27] [%clk 0:01:46] }
28. Rxa4 { [%eval -1.28] [%clk 0:06:58] } 28... Kd7 { [%eval -1.01] [%clk 0:01:31] }
29. h3 { [%eval -1.47] [%clk 0:06:19] } 29... Kc7 { [%eval -1.73] [%clk 0:01:19] }
30. hxg4 { [%eval -2.48] [%clk 0:06:07] } 30... fxg4 { [%eval -2.29] [%clk 0:00:06] }
31. Ra2 { [%eval -2.08] [%clk 0:05:57] }
1-0[/pgn]


your USCF card:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?12537202


@Brendan

Yeah, nowadays we only play 3+0 and faster all above is ruined by cheaters.
Cheaters often have absurd increments or never have an adequate bullet rating.

It can also be seen that in so called 'rapidchess' the rating is often 100-200 higher than in blitz,
but no one takes rapidchess seriously anymore in online chess - we know what it is.
Guenther if you were a prosecutor you would have been the worse prosecutor that ever live. You are taking old evidence and trying to convince people here on this forum that it still hold true. That rating http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?12537202 that you are posting is from the last time that I ever played in tournament which was in October of 2019 Correct ; since then I have seen many Birds, Airplanes and Moons passing by on the Blue sky. How many times have I posted here that since February of 2020 I have been taking online chess instructions with an IM, that is exactly 20 months ago, I have postedit here probably more than 20 times, but you as a person who believe that I still have the same chess knowledge as I did back in October of 2019 are Willfully and purposely ignoring that I am paying $20.00 per hour to have 2 sections per week with an IM instructor, and my chess knowledge has increase tremendously since then. Before I started training with the online IM, I simply waited every year or so for a tournament and participated without reading chess Books or receiving guided chess instructions from a person that is more knowledgeable than me, therefore, my Chess knowledge was the same year after year, and when I participated in chess tournament once a year, I usually encounter one or 2 person like you who when I played against them beat me and later on made fun of me with the other chess players calling me a pawn pusher instead of going over the game and telling me where I went wrong. I wish you live close to me so we can have a few games of chess and you can still tell me that I am the same as I was back in October of 2019. You also mentioned that I lost in time, which I admit to it, and then you went on to tell everybody that it was because of Bla Bla Bla, what you do not realize is the possibility that while we play chess online via Lichess we also have family member that call us and we have to either do not pay too much attention to the game while we are talking in the phone or simply let the time rum out.

Note: Anyway Gunther you are not the one who will play in a big tournament and with a very low rating beat everybody in that section, so you will report me too when the time come, that is what most Russians do when they arrive in the USA, they do NOT have a USCF rating and some of them are probably strong experts and play under the 1400 section and wipe out the section :roll:
I'm not accusing you for cheating, but your story is very weak. You probably want to revise it a bit
What do you mean by revising it a little ? I do NOT have to revise anything it is what it was. And another point that I want to mention is that Guenther accused me of running out of time, I wonder how smart he think he really is, if I was using any engine in 10 minutes rapid TC all that the operator need is at the most 2 minutes to make 70 or 80 moves since if a top engine makes a move every second there is no human alive, not even Magnus Carlsen that can beat it if he takes 10 minutes total time, so really think about it, how could I have run out of time, if I was using a top engine? unless I was thinking on each move. Total nonsense. If Guenther house was closer to my house within 1 or 2 hours drive I would show him how I can beat any player that is less than 1975 FIDE in rapid TC I have done it several times during my visit to the Philippine and Spain in the last 4 months.
If you use a different computer to cheat then copying the opponent moves to the different computer and waiting for the response of the engine and later copy the moves of the different computer to the computer you use to play takes time.

I do not claim that you cheat but I believe that this is the way that some cheaters cheat.
Oh WOW so that is how they do it, using two computers, I see. Thank Uri for letting me know. But how would they ever learn if they use computers instead of practicing what they have learned either by reading books, or with a personal, or online trainer? Therefore, their main goal is not to advance and increase their chess knowledge, but instead to crush whoever is online, what a waste of time. So they will grow old and never advance in chess. I take those games and later after my two section of training with my online trainer he ask me why did you make this move, and I have to let him know and he would correct me by telling what i should have done instead of and also he know his students better, that is why he sometimes pit us one student against another student, so we can later discuss what was our thought at that time, and how we can improve, by seeing his recommendations.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Uri Blass wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:35 pm
If you use a different computer to cheat then copying the opponent moves to the different computer and waiting for the response of the engine and later copy the moves of the different computer to the computer you use to play takes time.

I do not claim that you cheat but I believe that this is the way that some cheaters cheat.
I define that as being a postman, and the opponent does not know they are playing a computer, they think they are playing a human, but it's just the postman delivering the moves. In my book that is cheating.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Guenther wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 am
Guenther wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:57 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:54 pm

As expected your account was now terminated due to cheating (as you did in some of your bragging games with odds)
https://lichess.org/@/ChessLearner1979/all

And no I did not report you - some other people were faster ;)

I do not know what Guenther got out of this by reporting me with no base or whatsoever, but he must feel ashamed for doing it, since still he does not rest and continue to accuse me of cheating, I just found out that it was him who reported me, I have friends everywhere. and he keep bringing my twin brother into every discussion whenever he has an opportunity, but for over a year my twin brother and I are in peace with each other and that should be the end of bringing my twin brother into every post as much as Guenther can, obviously he must fell hurt to have reported me and knowing that I was reinstated with a different account and handler, which he will never find out, since he will stir up problem in the near future. As anybody can see this game obviously I must be beating everybody even magnus Carlsen since according to Guenther I used engines to play and my game are perfect without any margin of error, WOW, how can he still support that ridiculous theory. Anybody her can copy and paste this game into Stockfish, Komodo, Ethereal, or whatever top engine they decide to and see for themselves that Guenther theory of cheating has no ground.
Ooh baby, let me get some facts straight for your fantasy world, just for those who don't know you:

1. I did not report you (already told in original post)
2. I am not Lichess and Lichess bannned you for cheating - it's not 'my theory' lol
3. There are gazillions of ways to cheat and you know it of course which makes your Carlsen blabla even more funny
and digging your hole deeper
4. Brendan gave you already a little hint about some of the different ways to cheat
5. Your hacker story lol
6. your account is still dead and nothing was reinstated (of course you can any time open a new one with a new email)
7. The new account will not survive long too thanks to Irvin

This case is closed

Guess what? You can be cheater even if you lose (mostly on time for cheaters)
Look at this funny time management lol
Time graph here:
https://lichess.org/DFaaCXhp/black#59

your USCF card:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?12537202

https://ratings.fide.com/profile/12932906
Guenther if you were a prosecutor you would have been the worse prosecutor that ever live. You are taking old evidence and trying to convince people here on this forum that it still hold true. That rating http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?12537202 that you are posting is from the last time that I ever played in tournament which was in October of 2019 Correct ; since then I have seen many Birds, Airplanes and Moons passing by on the Blue sky. How many times have I posted here that since February of 2020 I have been taking online chess instructions with an IM, that is exactly 20 months ago, I have postedit here probably more than 20 times, but you as a person who believe that I still have the same chess knowledge as I did back in October of 2019 are Willfully and purposely ignoring that I am paying $20.00 per hour to have 2 sections per week with an IM instructor, and my chess knowledge has increase tremendously since then. Before I started training with the online IM, I simply waited every year or so for a tournament and participated without reading chess Books or receiving guided chess instructions from a person that is more knowledgeable than me, therefore, my Chess knowledge was the same year after year, and when I participated in chess tournament once a year, I usually encounter one or 2 person like you who when I played against them beat me and later on made fun of me with the other chess players calling me a pawn pusher instead of going over the game and telling me where I went wrong. I wish you live close to me so we can have a few games of chess and you can still tell me that I am the same as I was back in October of 2019. You also mentioned that I lost in time, which I admit to it, and then you went on to tell everybody that it was because of Bla Bla Bla, what you do not realize is the possibility that while we play chess online via Lichess we also have family member that call us and we have to either do not pay too much attention to the game while we are talking in the phone or simply let the time rum out.

Note: Anyway Gunther you are not the one who will play in a big tournament and with a very low rating beat everybody in that section, so you will report me too when the time come, that is what most Russians do when they arrive in the USA, they do NOT have a USCF rating and some of them are probably strong experts and play under the 1400 section and wipe out the section :roll:


And another point that I want to mention is that Guenther accused me of running out of time, I wonder how smart he think he really is, if I was using any engine in 10 minutes rapid TC all that the operator need is at the most 2 minutes to make 70 or 80 moves since if a top engine makes a move every second there is no human alive, not even Magnus Carlsen that can beat it if he takes 10 minutes total time, so really think about it, how could I have run out of time, if I was using a top engine? unless I was thinking on each move. Total nonsense. If Guenther house was closer to my house within 1 or 2 hours drive I would show him how I can beat any player that is less than 1975 FIDE in rapid TC I have done it several times during my visit to the Philippine and Spain in the last 4 months.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Children, go to your rooms! :oops:
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Cornfed wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:25 am Children, go to your rooms! :oops:
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Chessqueen wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:25 pm If Guenther house was closer to my house within 1 or 2 hours drive I would show him how I can beat any player that is less than 1975 FIDE in rapid TC...
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?12537202

Dude, this link above shows a couple of things...

1. You have been playing *tournament* chess since at least 1992 and Rapid since 1993.

2. Your rating has *never* been above 1500.

This is your REAL WORLD rating and it has been reliably consistent over the decades.

In other words, it is an accurate representation of your playing strength.

Now here are some other facts we know.

1. You came here calling 2200 players weak after (apparently) effortlessly beating them ONLINE.

2. Your account was banned for cheating with an engine

3. You are a chess engine enthusiast

4. You claimed your account was "hacked" to explain away your ban. :roll:

There is really some Dunning Kruger shit going on here...how else can you think this is fooling anyone?

A few hints of previous dishonesty:

1. You led people to believe that your account had been "reinstated", but merely made a new one. :roll:
2. You used to use a fake woman's name on this forum to fool people

I really didn't wanna wade into this swamp, but your excuses are so ridiculous that I couldn't resist. Just be honest dude, and stop using sockpuppet accounts to stick up for yourself.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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+1 Where are the moderators? All I see on this forum is one user splattering nonsense all over the place day in and day out. :x
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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Guenther wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 am
@Brendan

Yeah, nowadays we only play 3+0 and faster all above is ruined by cheaters.
Cheaters often have absurd increments or never have an adequate bullet rating.
Same here. I'm a bit slow on the mouse these days and my internet connection is also a bit slow behind my VPN, so I tend to play 3+2.

A cheater has to be what we call a "sophisticated" cheat to handle this time control since they need to either play a higher number of engine moves (to keep GUI position updated) or enter positions REALLY quickly.

Generally, when we used to catch these guys on chess.com we'd find that if we used less than 1 minute (of the 3 allotted) and did nothing special (keep the position closed, shuffle the queen to b1-d1-b1-d1 lol) in the position, we could make them lose on time in a decent amount of cases.

Then we'd pass this data (as well as other sample games where they played tactically PERFECT, even in razor-sharp positions) to the team and get them banned.

If I wanted to train for longer games (this is for Uri too), I'd play against engines with a lot of knowledge/tweaking at low depth. Gives a decent simulation and you can choose the openings/positions you want to train too.
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Re: I do not know how some people get rated over 2200 on Lichess ?

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BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:13 am
Guenther wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 am
@Brendan

Yeah, nowadays we only play 3+0 and faster all above is ruined by cheaters.
Cheaters often have absurd increments or never have an adequate bullet rating.
Same here. I'm a bit slow on the mouse these days and my internet connection is also a bit slow behind my VPN, so I tend to play 3+2.

A cheater has to be what we call a "sophisticated" cheat to handle this time control since they need to either play a higher number of engine moves (to keep GUI position updated) or enter positions REALLY quickly.

Generally, when we used to catch these guys on chess.com we'd find that if we used less than 1 minute (of the 3 allotted) and did nothing special (keep the position closed, shuffle the queen to b1-d1-b1-d1 lol) in the position, we could make them lose on time in a decent amount of cases.

Then we'd pass this data (as well as other sample games where they played tactically PERFECT, even in razor-sharp positions) to the team and get them banned.

If I wanted to train for longer games (this is for Uri too), I'd play against engines with a lot of knowledge/tweaking at low depth. Gives a decent simulation and you can choose the openings/positions you want to train too.
It is very important to catch the cheaters. Feeling forced to play faster but mindless time controls where there's no time to think and plan can take all the fun out of playing chess, and is not a good solution for everyone.

I've reported and got many banned for stupidly cheating against Nezh-BOT.