Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

[Eduard]

What's the point of this provocation?

It is clear to everyone that H15 is not bought for the strength of play.

For an acceptable price for a PUR engine, I am ready to buy all of the following classic engines (new release):

ChessGenius, Shredder, Fritz (only Frans Morsch Edition), Hiarcs, MChess, Junior, ChessMaster, and some other classics, as UCI.

These are engines where I don't care about the Elo. The rest of them have to perform well and I don't see anything besides Stockfish and Lc0.

[KLc]

Is this nonsense still going on?

[Eduard]

Have you or I been asked??

But ok, I'm getting off here. I am sure that I am not alone in my opinion. Others just don't dare to say it.

Bye!

[Robert Flesher]

I just want to test the H15 engine for a few days and have a little nostalgia feeling with it. For that I don't buy a complete package that I don't need. If the engine is just a small bonus, why are engine lovers being forced to buy these packages?

This was my point.

[criko]

Have you or I been asked??

But ok, I'm getting off here. I am sure that I am not alone in my opinion. Others just don't dare to say it.

Bye!

He's doing mimimi again and again

[Eduard]

Have you or I been asked??

But ok, I'm getting off here. I am sure that I am not alone in my opinion. Others just don't dare to say it.

Bye!

He's doing mimimi again and again

Why are you provoking me without saying anything on the subject? Poor men!

[KLc]

If you look into the German forum, you see him ranting all the time:

https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... ?tid=11686
https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... ?tid=12183
https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... pl?tid=467
https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... ?tid=11286
https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... l?tid=1423

Etc.

[Ozymandias]

Have you or I been asked??

But ok, I'm getting off here. I am sure that I am not alone in my opinion. Others just don't dare to say it.

Bye!

You're not, check the link in my previous reply to you. I said it 10 years ago. (This packaging thing isn't new, it goes back to when Mark parted ways with CB).

[herO]

The point is that someone here is claiming the engine is just a bonus. I would only like to have this bonus, the more important part of the package should be bought by people who think the GUI is fantastic and great.

The 'point' is...for $79.95 USD, you can have it...."to test" or relive "a little nostalgia" if those things matter that much to you. The same goes with Dragon 2.6 which is roughly the same price as I recall and for just the engine. Did you pony up for that?

You have already expressed your 'preference' to donate to open source projects (free stuff). That is where your joy lies, so...perhaps you should just go with that and just stop whining, okay?

I write that I am ONLY interested in the pure engine, ok! I'm not interested in the package. I have no use for Hiarcs Explorer. I work with other tools.

I lack a reasonable justification for not being able to buy a pure engine that I used to love (I also have older Hiarcs versions).

And you tell me to buy the expensive package (bla bla).

But I won't moan, I promise.

I am very disappointed with Mark Uniacke.

I understand your request now. I understand that you don't want to pay that much money for a chess engine when you don't need to use the Hiarcs Chess Explorer database software.

There is a user on the official forum who had the individual opportunity to purchase the Deep Hiarcs 14 chess engine. Officially, the Hiarcs 14 chess engine was not sold separately. Hiarcs 14 was also included in Hiarcs Chess Explorer 1.x database software. It is therefore likely that if the user contacts Mark on an official email, he will be able to buy a new chess engine at a much lower price.

I will not ask for a special engine version. I understand that many people like to use the Hiarcs Explorer under Apple software. Apple software is good, but too expensive for me. If you use Apple for you, the price for the Hiarcs Explorer is OK. I use Windows, and since version 1 the ChessBase program. I am very satisfied with it because all UCI engines can be integrated. I cannot confirm the criticism that ChessBase is slow. I use databases with many millions of games (Mega Database commented on in detail). With the search accelerator set up, everything can be found very quickly, players, openings, mate, stalemate, figure stays, material difference, endgames, etc .. !!

Nevertheless, I wish all users of Hiarcs Explorer a lot of fun with it.

I'm not interested in all kinds of engines. But I am in the scene from the first DOS version and have acquired all of these engines: ChessGenius, Shredder, Hiarcs, Fritz, MChess, Zarkov etc.

So I'm sorry to have to go without H15, but OK.

I took a break from computer chess from 2012 to 2017 (played myself). I reawakened my love for engines in 2017 and fondly remember the good old time!

I'll try to explain why Mark doesn't sell the chess engine on his own. Most people prefer the most powerful Stockfish chess engine, which has been evolving for several years, and many people lend their hardware to test new versions of the chess engine. Stockfish is free. LC0 is free. Can the Hiarcs engine be sold for money? Definitely yes. Will people be willing to buy a stand-alone chess engine for the same price as the Komodo Dragon chess engine? Certainly not.

Komodo Dragon engine is the only exception in the world of computer chess. Komodo is a very powerful chess engine that offers interesting features and tries to bring something new to computer chess (MCTS, better multi PV analysis, experimental NNUE network). There are many chess enthusiasts and professional players who buy a powerful Dragon chess engine. If Hiarcs is a few hundred ELO weaker, then no one will want to pay $75 for a weaker chess engine.

Mark focuses mainly on chess database software and the Hiarcs engine is optimized mainly for game style, simulation of human chess on lower levels of difficulty and analysis of chess games. The chess engine does not try to be the most powerful chess engine in the world. Most chess engine enthusiasts only want the most powerful chess engines. Chess enthusiasts are only interested in LC0, NNUE networks, Stockfish engine and especially how much stronger newer versions are. That's all they care about. The Hiarcs engine focuses on other aspects that computer chess enthusiasts are not interested in.

[Cornfed]

What's the point of this provocation?

If you are referring to me (you do not say), I simply asked if you purchased Dragon (or another commercial engine). I'll take this as a 'no' and that's good enough for me. Nothing more to converse with you about in this thread, so that's all...